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Lifecrafter
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written Friday, May 9 2003 00:30
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1. The Soviets also had weak exports and produced mainly military hardware and crap for the domestic market. 2. The environment was neglected and a huge amount of fossil fuels was consumed. 3. Despite this, a large part of the Soviet population lived in poverty. 4. Offensive wars and prestige projects (monumental buildings, space programs) helped keep the citizens happy and obedient. 5. Human rights were not respected. The secret police spied on any potential terrorist/traitor/whatever. ;) The death penalty was naturally in force. Today, the USA refuses to hand over war criminals to international tribunals... Posts: 950 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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BANNED
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written Friday, May 9 2003 02:59
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Nice history. -------------------- Don't expect the expected expect the unexpected if you expect the expected I expect you will remain unexpected. Posts: 775 | Registered: Friday, October 11 2002 07:00 |
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Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire!
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written Friday, May 9 2003 03:12
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By "nice", I assume you mean "useless". USA is not USSR. For one thing, we're not communist. For another, we're a lot more prosperous, in general, than they every were. Also, the majority of Americans approve of their government, if not their president himself, which is a major advantage. I would give more reasons, but I shouldn't be on the computer right now. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon TEH CONSPIRACY IZ ALL Les forum de la chance. In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Friday, May 9 2003 06:29
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Nowadays, I think USSR = USA is a fairer statement, though McDonalds is held in much higher esteem over there. No democracy and few workers rights? Well, think of the USSR as what they would like America to be like if all these damn persky liberals would only stop interfering with the mystical workings of the free market. Posts: 2333 | Registered: Monday, January 7 2002 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Friday, May 9 2003 07:36
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David, if the best reason you can come up with for the USA not equalling the USSR is that the USA is not communist, then it worries me about what you really think about your country. Though the USA possesses many traits of the USSR, I wouldn't make that comparision. The USA today (and the rest of the first world) is more Orwellian then anything. -------------------- KazeArctica: "Imagine...wangs everywhere...and tentacles. Nothing but wangs and tentacles! And no pants!" Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, May 9 2003 07:45
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Er.. Nineteen-Eighty-Four was based to a certain extent on the USSR, so saying that the USA is Orwellian isn't really far removed from saying USA=USSR. And dave: The majority of Russians supported their government as well, due to propaganda etc. And the prosperity thing is maybe a bit iffy, depending on how you measure prosperity (although I don't really know the facts) -------------------- Riot Shields Voodoo Economics It's just business Cattle prods And the IMF I trust I can rely on your vote Posts: 530 | Registered: Sunday, September 1 2002 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, May 9 2003 08:04
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You know, add a couple more Patriot Acts, have another president or two like Bush Jr, and there really won't be much difference. Except that here we'd have better fridges, more porn, and flashier cars to keep us complacent and quiet. Has anyone ever flown to the US? INS always reminds me of Soviet-style bureaucracy, what with the rubber stamps and formica everywhere. -------------------- ... Posts: 647 | Registered: Wednesday, February 19 2003 08:00 |
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This Side Towards Enemy
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written Friday, May 9 2003 11:01
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The US is much more economically prosperous and stable than the USSR because the dollar is the world's favourite currency. So much trade is done in dollars that the US can effectively print money and maintain its debt without hyperinflation taking hold. Posts: 1000 | Registered: Thursday, October 11 2001 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, May 9 2003 12:01
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I read an interesting theory somewheres that one of the reasons the US was so hot to take on Iraq was that the Iraqi oil industry had switched to the Euro as their preferred currency. Since Iraq is the second largest oil producer, this could have seriously undermined the stability of the dollar, as the US's gargantuan debts would start to be called in. How much truth there is in this, I do not know. But it is an interesting theory. -------------------- ... Posts: 647 | Registered: Wednesday, February 19 2003 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Friday, May 9 2003 12:15
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On the european continent this is seen more as a fact than as a theory. [ Friday, May 09, 2003 12:16: Message edited by: ef ] -------------------- Polaris Posts: 1828 | Registered: Saturday, January 11 2003 08:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Friday, May 9 2003 12:56
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Look, the Soviet Union was most definately not Communist. It, like Marx planned all Communist countries to start as, started as a Socialist nation. Ruled by Lenin and later Stalin totalitariously. Socialism was the economic style, Totalatianism was the government. Khrushchev after Stalin's death began reforming the government of the USSR, so it was more an Oligarchy(Rule by an elite group). It never however achieved true Communism, as true Communism is impossible in reality, yet very nice on paper. Well, that was the little history lesson, but I like the comment about keeping its citizens happy with propaganda, many Americans voluntarily place propaganda on their cars. There are some key differences obviosly, freedom of press, speach, and religion for one thing, although Republicans are just craving to knock those down as well. Personally, I think that the US should adopt the Euro, although that's doubtful. The world will survive if George Bush get's defeated in the next election. Otherwise, build yourself a bunker. -------------------- The many faces of Logalot -------------------- Polaris Roleplaying and Debating Board- 'Nuf said -------------------- Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Posts: 780 | Registered: Friday, February 1 2002 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Friday, May 9 2003 14:02
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quote:The public schools are. And many people don't like the government itself. I could go on and on, but due to being deprived of sleep thanks to random people calling at various times for obscure reasons while I tried to sleep, I simply don't feel like it. [ Friday, May 09, 2003 14:03: Message edited by: Lord Lone Flame ] Posts: 1918 | Registered: Sunday, October 13 2002 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Friday, May 9 2003 18:29
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This country is becoming frighteningly like post-rev Russia, actually. I would not say so much in the economic area as we're not quite there yet (but moving in that direction, I read a rather disturbing piece recently on the number of US families who are living on less than 10$ thousand a year). It's in the area of personal freedoms where I'm seeing this: Under the new Patriot Act (AKA Homeland Security Act), it's legal for the government to wiretap your home, arrest you, imprison you as long as they want if you're "suspected" of terrorism. And they can do it all without a warrant. I'm amazed that more people haven't screamed about this - honestly, it's pretty frightening for anyone who's studied history. -------------------- "Because giant worm repellant costs money, Comrade Mother!" The Brak Show Posts: 24 | Registered: Friday, November 15 2002 08:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Friday, May 9 2003 22:43
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It has more to do with power and ruthlessness than ideology. BTW, Guantanamo Bay = Gulag. ;) The Soviet elite was horribly corrupt and easily transformed into the Russian mafia...US politicians are sponsored by big business... Posts: 950 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Saturday, May 10 2003 00:13
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As what was once probably the West's last absolutist country, Russians are used to authoritarian rule (not that they typically like it). The trouble with the US is that it started out on liberal principles about separation of powers and other limits on the encroachment of State power on individual liberty (not least because they'd seen the same thing happen through the previous century to 'freeborn Englishmen', never mind themselvs) and now certain people think that such diversity is bad for their profits after all. It doesn't surprise me--all companies seek monopoly--but for those bought up with the rhetoric of individual freedom (even freedom to hold arms! ;) ), the reality of what their society is becoming must be upsetting to all but the most powerful or imperceptive. (Edited for typos) [ Saturday, May 10, 2003 00:15: Message edited by: X ] Posts: 2333 | Registered: Monday, January 7 2002 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Saturday, May 10 2003 17:42
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I think USA=Ussr is a fair statement they threated people with weopens of mass destruction and so do we hehe -------------------- Ohh YEAH!!! -------------------- My god could kick you god's ass. -------------------- Getapc -------------------- Teh Flamin sworrd of bd gramer has now become the Flaming Sword of not perfict grammer. -------------------- Worning not perfict grammer behind. -------------------- DOLNEY HAS CHANGED TO A guy with not so perfict grammer -------------------- I shortened my sig. Posts: 484 | Registered: Monday, May 27 2002 07:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Saturday, May 10 2003 19:11
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Yes, it's amazing that the first modern democracy based on civil freedom is now the least civily free democracy in the first world. -------------------- The many faces of Logalot -------------------- Polaris Roleplaying and Debating Board- 'Nuf said -------------------- Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Posts: 780 | Registered: Friday, February 1 2002 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Monday, May 12 2003 09:44
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Well, we give up our countries after wrecking them. At least that's what they tell us. (I was for the war, though, just because of saddam. Another sane dictator wouldn't have been as bad.) Also, a superpower with nukes and bad government and morals is a BAD thing? look at Rome! they kicked the Heinie of the WORLD!!! -------------------- Looks like someone needs to stick their head in some Ice Water... Posts: 29 | Registered: Wednesday, February 26 2003 08:00 |
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Shake Before Using
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written Monday, May 12 2003 10:19
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quote:Umm... Rome did not have nukes... and it fell in misery to barbarians... Would someone please explain this, in case I just can't think after school? Posts: 3234 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Monday, May 12 2003 10:45
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Respectfully, I thought Afpkuz was bing a bit incoherent too. S/he seems to think a nation that can go round the world trampling all others is commendable + that Iraq is "our" (presumably the US's from context) "country", so so much for the 'liberation' of the people that actually live there.... Posts: 2333 | Registered: Monday, January 7 2002 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Monday, May 12 2003 10:59
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quote:1. So dictators except for Saddam are great. Who cares about them. Let them torture people and ignore democracy. At least they're loyal to us. Yeh! 2.Because "kicking Heinie of the world" (whatever the hell "Heinie" is supposed to mean). Yay, lets all boast about our nation because we have no morals and we attack lots of people and kick their Heinie. We're great. Yeh, lets kill those bloody foreigners. PS:I would really appretiate a definition of the word "Heinie". I keep doubting that it is in fact a proper noun. -------------------- Riot Shields Voodoo Economics It's just business Cattle prods And the IMF I trust I can rely on your vote Posts: 530 | Registered: Sunday, September 1 2002 07:00 |
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This Side Towards Enemy
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written Monday, May 12 2003 11:04
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I'm pretty sure it equates to ass, arse and similar nouns. I'm also pretty sure I've never seen it used in something written since 1980. Posts: 1000 | Registered: Thursday, October 11 2001 07:00 |
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Senile Reptile
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written Monday, May 12 2003 12:29
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"Heinie" comes from the word "hind." As in, the hindquarters, or more specifically, the "arse." It is a childish truncation of "hind." Other examples of removing the last syllable or consonant and adding "ie" can be found. For example, "weenie" is a truncation of "weener." "Meanie" is a shortened way to say "mean person." "Pooie" is a shortened version of "poopoo." -------------------- Polaris Posts: 1614 | Registered: Wednesday, January 23 2002 08:00 |
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Senile Reptile
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written Monday, May 12 2003 12:29
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EDIT: Double-clicked the button instead of single-clicking it. My apologies. [ Monday, May 12, 2003 12:31: Message edited by: Sir Motrax of Exile ] -------------------- Polaris Posts: 1614 | Registered: Wednesday, January 23 2002 08:00 |
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written Monday, May 12 2003 14:17
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It still worries me that our dear friend Afkpuz is putting into writing words I have only heard used by Adam Sandler. -------------------- I believe there are 15 747 724 136 275 002 577 105 653 961 181 555 468 044 717 914 527 116 709 366 231 425 076 185 631 031 296 protons in the universe, and the same number of electrons. -- Sir Arthur Eddington Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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