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Lifecrafter
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The Spiderweb administration has taken a lurch into the asinine of late, and for good apparent reason: the locals are a feckless, childish lot, trained up without the fear of God or their betters. Instead of brutal lashings by Canadians or other angst-filled jerks, the most brutal it gets is an effable talking-to by an offensively inoffensive Kraut.

There have been a lot of locked topics lately, which I see as a step in the right direction, but to get things rolling it will be necessary to establish a lively regime of tyranny. The new crop of enfants provocateurs need to learn the consequences of playing at fire-starter, the bloviators at fluffy tortoises and asinine cults need to be shamed into silence by main force.

Outward friendliness aside, the community is essentially hostile. We should prefer an honest hostility to a country-club gentry ruled by inside references and a veneer of warm contempt; we should accept that the fastest and easiest initiation is a baptism by fire.

SO: Hack them down. The response to missteps should not be silent contempt but a swift, merciless, and instructive beating. While normally this sort of thing is outside of my milieu, let's be honest: the Internet is not serious business, and the alternative seems to be a breeding-ground of dumb pederasty.

No more of this retarded hug-fest. Haakaa päälle!

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What does this entail, exactly? A few things:

1) The Unwashed are to be identified by general consensus. The profligate posters of nothing legitimate (c.f. the CoC) in particular may be identified by:
a) a deficit of useful posts outside of General;
b) a lack of apparent interest in the games themselves;
c) apparent consensus by the staff that the party in question is behaving in an irritating manner.

Punitive action against them is to be vicious and mean-spirited, pursued by all capable parties - including powerless bystanders - to the best of their abilities, and is to continue until that member is deemed no longer Unwashed.

2) The range of options available to moderators and administrators are to be pursued more actively. If a topic has degenerated into a conversation between two idiots, for instance, it is a perfectly legitimate use of moderatorial power to blank or delete their posts that discussion may continue, or to close the topic if no other discussion seems likely.

I would personally like to see the revival of mod edit powers for personal abuse - in the spirit of tutelage, but mean, violent tutelage.

In particular, temporary discretionary bannings must be reinstated as standard practice. Permanent bannings are to remain the nuclear option - pursuable only in the most extreme cases - but in the boards' halcyon days temp-banning was an administrative solution to trivial problems and it should remain so.

There is a sort of delicious irony, for instance, in punishing someone whose apparent raison d'etre is the propagation of his own shrill, shrill voice with a timed - or temporary but indefinite! - gag.

3) Most importantly, we must not, as members of the community, brook stupidity. I do not hold my own behavior as a model, as I am far too caustic for standard practice and if everyone or even a good number of people behaved like me nothing would get done.

On the other hand, I can't be the only person whose first reaction to babbling about cave cows on unrelated topics because someone thinks it is cute is '...were you dropped as a child?'; and I think the community would be better off if those reactions were public and the asinine inside-jokes only surfaced when humorous enough to overcome a regime of shame.

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Most of all, I'd like to express that this is an opportunity to meet those of you with whom I disagreed with on the playground topic halfway: if you're willing to accept the healing power of a harvest of sorrows, by all means, let's try it out somewhere where it doesn't particularly matter.

[ Monday, November 20, 2006 02:54: Message edited by: The Worst Man Ever ]
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quote:
3) Most importantly, we must not, as members of the community, brook stupidity. I do not hold my own behavior as a model, as I am far too caustic for standard practice and if everyone or even a good number of people behaved like me nothing would get done.
I am curious. What, exactly, do you propose that we ought to "get done" here?

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Well, I mean that if everyone behaved like me ... everyone would be behaving like me. I'm not a particularly sociable man. :P
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Shaper
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You're welcome!

Oh, and thank you as well! It's been a while since anyone has indulged my ego. Since I can't be any more hated than I already am, no publicity is bad publicity!

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Law Bringer
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Since most of the active members are in school (high school or college), education doesn't seem to be the answer. If hours of instruction don't drum something into their heads, then more active work by the mods is necessary. Editting of posts might be more time consuming, but effective. If their rhetoric is removed then at least what is seen will improve.
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First, I loudly approve. I APPROVE, sirs! So does this mean there will be established a totalitarian rule over the boards? With swift and harsh justice? The idea alone makes me giddy. ^^

Second. While Haakaa päälle is fitting, it's only cute and without the full effect since it's written wrong. It should be with two 'k's, in fact, and one 'a' less. "Hakkaa päälle". Who gave you that, TGM? (he needs to practice his typing :P )

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Personally I don't see all this chaos... Just wait for GF4, this will be a real horde of newbies and, sadly but probably, noobs*.

*: w007 gf4 is finalyy 0u7 lol !1!!!11!!

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But the only person that was ever really good at this kind of tutelage can't post because he did it too well.

I agree the spamfest must stop, but what good will it do to enforce one rule of the CoC by ignoring another?

This call to action is parallel to the one made last month.

"Let's ignore rule #X of the CoC to make the boards better."

The end result will not be any better then the first go around.

[ Monday, November 20, 2006 12:30: Message edited by: Jewels ]

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Eh, let's give it a shot. We'll get another crop of newbs to refine the technique on when G4 comes out, anyway...

Of course, if it fails, then we'll be able to adjust when that wave hits.

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quote:
an offensively inoffensive Kraut.
You called?

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Actually, the end result will be *much* better than last "month"'s.

I hold the CoC as my flag and my shield and wield it as my sword.

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quote:
Originally written by Ephesos:

Eh, let's give it a shot. We'll get another crop of newbs to refine the technique on when G4 comes out, anyway...

Of course, if it fails, then we'll be able to adjust when that wave hits.

Sadly, the wave is already here.

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You have no idea.

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Please remember that this board belongs to a company. Jeff would like to sell his games, and he's less likely to do so if his forum practices tough love (or conspicuous hate, as the case may be).

I'm all for stemming the tide of drivel, but doing so by applying vitriol isn't the right way to do it. Cannings and bannings may step up, though.

—Alorael, who also is fully in favor of retributive edits. Lock your doors and threads, Spiderweb, because the mods know no fear and have no mercy. Well, okay, that's hyperbole, but still. When you post without a point you post with the devil. More slogans, too.
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Give me your tired, your unadored,
Your newbish masses yearning to post free.
The illiterate refuse of an internet hoard.
Send these, the clueless, flamewar-tost to me.
That I might use them to take over the board.

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Edit: Uh... forget this.

[ Monday, November 20, 2006 13:46: Message edited by: Sirrus ]

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Let the boards degenerate for a while. We can go and "hack them down" after our revival from stagnation. Right now is the time for quantity, not quality. Posts are of course the blood of the forum, and I would rather have 6 quarts of sickly blood and live than have a healthy red pint and die.

By no means should we purposely infect the boards with an injection of rotten refuse, but let the new ones come and try out the waters before we sharks emerge and show our true teeth. As Alorael said, this are Jeff's boards and it is not within our power to turn it into a tyrannical regime. The boards are not an oligarchy, nor are they a democracy: the boards belong to Jeff alone since the last time I checked, he is enough of a totalitarian monarch for any single forum.

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Aran: One warning for borderline CoC violation.

Garrison: No, now is not the time for quantity. Spiderweb isn't dying and we don't need to bury it in spam in order to save it.

—Alorael, who would rather let it die than resurrect it as some spamulent zombie. No, spamulent isn't a word, but it's a good neologism.
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quote:
Originally written by Second to Ten:

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—Alorael, who also is fully in favor of retributive edits. Lock your doors and threads, Spiderweb, because the mods know no fear and have no mercy. Well, okay, that's hyperbole, but still. When you post without a point you post with the devil. More slogans, too.

The problem with retribution edits is that it gives spammers the attention they crave, as illustrated by Mr. Ego right after you've made the edit threat in the stats thread.

As for Alec's suggestion to bully all "undesirables" away from these boards, I have only one thing to say:
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Originally written by The Worst Man Ever:

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Please excuse me if I find your philosophy of peace through superior firepower repugnant; I have personal as well as ethical reasons for that.
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I guess some people object to bullying only when it is directed against them, but have no problem bullying those who sully "their" turf.

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Apologies. I got carried away. Won't happen again. :(

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Think of this as a social debugging challenge, Aran. What input gets the output of the Spiderweb community up to par?

—Alorael, who insists that any parallels with so-called social engineering is strictly in the mind of the reader.
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Originally written by Eyestar:


Garrison: No, now is not the time for quantity. Spiderweb isn't dying and we don't need to bury it in spam in order to save it.

—Alorael, who would rather let it die than resurrect it as some spamulent zombie. No, spamulent isn't a word, but it's a good neologism.

As I said, it's not a time for purposely flooding the boards with useless drivel. In fact, I doubt there is ever a right time for that. I just don't think that we need to keep the boards extremely pristine at the moment. A little bit of non-obnoxious slightly low quality posting will not kill the forum. To beat the horse even further, I'm not advocating spamming more. November was a little too spamtastic for my tastes, but some threads like "Forum Archetypes" were fun and entertaining.

Also, I think that every attempt should be made at keeping these boards active as long as we keep this spirit of the community alive. If we as a whole are replaced by spammers who can't type for beans, then down with it all.

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quote:
Originally written by Garrison:

If we as a whole are replaced by spammers who can't type for beans, then down with it all.
Ah, excellent, the fear is already seeded deep within the fools.

Seriously, I know I'm relatively new here, but do you guys act like this every time a new game comes out? Are you seriously thinking that the boards are in danger just because of a little (or even a lot of) spamming? I think if you just keep doing what you've always done things should work out fine, no? Drama queens...

[ Monday, November 20, 2006 19:27: Message edited by: Emperor Tullegolar ]

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As far as I'm concerned, the CoC is there to provide a general list of guidelines. I could revise it to make it a bit more "applicable" to take into account the things that have happened since it was written. However, to be honest, I have far better things to do.

So long as we have a good, cohesive community where people feel welcome and have fun on these boards, I'm content with leaving things be. If their are specific complaints where people are not sharing this, it's not good for business and must be dealt with. Keep in mind at the end of the day, the decisions get made on a "what's good for business" basis. It's impossible to please everyone or police everything, but for now the community is pretty healthy.

Inevitably with a new game, we'll get a bunch of idiots. Most of them will leave on their own accord. Those that don't will either shape up or be shipped out.

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And you also get those rare few who, though eventually banned, become a permanent figure in the community.

[ Monday, November 20, 2006 19:51: Message edited by: Nioca ]

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