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Thralni Master Member # 5977	written Sunday, April 30 2006 21:39 Profile Homepage #50 quote: Originally written by radix malorum est cupiditas: Far more variety than gangster rap to pure industrial noise to death metal? (For the sake of argument, since I only count one of those genres as real music.) And I do like classical but it just is not agressive enough for me, the slow parts are boring and the fast parts end quickly. Many black metal bands, however, uses classical scores in their music which is offset by blast beats, heavily distorted guitars and throat-wrenching vocals. fast and slow parts are heavily dependant on the composer. I've also heard quite some classical music that was quite agressive (mostly modern classical), in which instruments were used for things that at least I wouldn't expect. You see, that's what attracts me to classical music, which metal and such certainly doesn't do: there is such a veriaty of instruments that can be used for so many things, that almost every piece will have its own little twist. try doing that with a drumkit. The best example I can give is from a game, were a bassoon symbolized factory machinery. Brilliant. Oh, and right now I'm listening to tshaikovsky, and I didn't hear a really slow part for about three minutes. The tension stays in, even in the moderatly slow part that I'm listening to now. However, it already became faster. And I love brass. And woodwinds. I dislike drumkits and electric guitars. Apart from that, I have never heard any drama of any sort in modern music. however, almost every piece of Tshaikowsky, Shostakovich, Mahler or Dvorak made me silent, like I was beaten with a concrete block. I never felt that same feelings with modern music. -------------------- Play and rate my scenarios: Where the rivers meet View my upcoming scenario: The Nephil Search: Escape. Give us your drek! Posts: 3029 \| Registered: Saturday, June 18 2005 07:00
Snafta Warrior Member # 6234	written Monday, May 1 2006 00:37 Profile #51 That's just something personal. Liking and disliking instruments is just prefence. I can stand almost any instrument, but my prefence goes to guitars and drumkit, which I'm both capable in playing. And that is something that matters as well. If you play, for instance, the violin, you'll probably like music that contains it. And it works the other way around as well. If you like music that contains brilliant guitarwork, you are more likely to go play guitar then the bassoon. It also matters what you're trying to find in music. If you want music that gives you a calm and warm feeling, you probably won't end up with death metal (although there are exceptions). It's the mood you want to hear in music. If you like to hear things in a more aggresive mood, you choise metal or rock. If you like a sweet summernight mood, you'll like jazz and classical music more then rock, and so on... quote: I've also heard quite some classical music that was quite agressive (mostly modern classical) If someone's searching for aggresive classical music, try the last album of Apocalyptica. It mixes both metal and classical music. Four Cello's playing metal. But the album also contains slow, classical pieces. quote: The best example I can give is from a game, were a bassoon symbolized factory machinery. Brilliant. That sounds rather brilliant. But Jimmie Hendrix once played a national anthem, imitating falling bombs with his guitar. It really sounded like that. And there are more examples like these. I think most of these things are about not knowing enough about the music. I'm not really into the classical music, so I don't know that much about it. Same goes the other way around. If someone's not interested in metal, (s)he'll know littler about it then someone who is interested in it. quote: try doing that with a drumkit. Try getting the diversity of a crash cymbal, a woodblock, a bassdrum and a snare out of a horn ;) And you're now comparing a complete orchestra with a drumkit. I could've said the same thing with a full brass band against a violin. ;) -------------------- There are 400 words in the dictionary that begin with "self" and only 8 that begin with "fellow". When in doubt. . . mumble. Posts: 150 \| Registered: Saturday, August 20 2005 07:00
Thralni Master Member # 5977	written Monday, May 1 2006 04:28 Profile Homepage #52 quote: That's just something personal. Liking and disliking instruments is just prefence. The whole of my previous post was about my preference. quote: If you like a sweet summernight mood, you'll like jazz and classical music more then rock, and so on... Well, that's exactly what everybody thinks, but its not like that, really. Okay, there is quite some classical music in which you could think of a summernight, but in almost everything that I have, you will probably think about some disastrous things happening, people dying... Sweet summernight is not what I have in my closet. quote: I'm not really into the classical music, so I don't know that much about it. Same goes the other way around. If someone's not interested in metal, (s)he'll know less about it then someone who is interested in it. well of course, but I don't really think this is very relevant to what we were discussing: the imitation of certain things/objects. Its just what you imagine with that music, and it certainly is related to your mood. An example of that is the very end of Tshaikwsky's 6th symphony, first movement. When I was very depressed, I thought it to be somebody dying. However, when I listened to it the next day, when I wasn't depressed, it sounded like a new day had just begun. However, back to the topic. The imitation of things often isn't very related to the type of music itself, but more the composer of the music. I just gave the bassoon as an example for strange things that you can do with... well... a bassoon. I didn't really say it to make a point of the things you can do with an orchestra. I'm sure that, as you said, you can also do many strange things with a guitar, drumkit or whatever. However, a metal or whatever band will probably have a guitar, basguitar and a drumkit, and that's about it. With a full blown orchestra you have 10+ instruments to unleash your fantasy on. That's about what I wanted to say. And this is getting very off-topic now. -------------------- Play and rate my scenarios: Where the rivers meet View my upcoming scenario: The Nephil Search: Escape. Give us your drek! Posts: 3029 \| Registered: Saturday, June 18 2005 07:00
moonear Infiltrator Member # 5410	written Monday, May 1 2006 04:37 Profile #53 William Shatner singing the blues. Well, really anything sung by William Shatner (lLucy in the Sky with Diamonds ranks up there as best all time song). -------------------- "Dikiyoba ... is demon ... drives people mad and ... do all sorts of strange things." "You Spiderwebbians are mad, mad, mad as March hares." Posts: 687 \| Registered: Wednesday, January 19 2005 08:00
Snafta Warrior Member # 6234	written Monday, May 1 2006 04:48 Profile #54 quote: Originally written by Mc 'mini' Thralni: Well, that's exactly what everybody thinks, but its not like that, really. Okay, there is quite some classical music in which you could think of a summernight, but in almost everything that I have, you will probably think about some disastrous things happening, people dying... Sweet summernight is not what I have in my closet. I understand that classical music has as much subgenres as popmusic, it was just an example :) . But I hope you get my point. quote: However, a metal or whatever band will probably have a guitar, basguitar and a drumkit, and that's about it. With a full blown orchestra you have 10+ instruments to unleash your fantasy on. That's about what I wanted to say. But there are a lot of metalbands that contain out of six people plus (even up to 9). Of course, most orchestra's are bigger, but there are also these small groups with only 4 or 5 instruments (sorry, don't know the word for it :rolleyes: ) And some metalbands use samplers that can imitate an entire orchestra. It's not the same as a full orchestra, but it sounds quite like it. Anyway, You can look at that from 2 perspectives. A lot of instruments mean a lot of possibilities, but fewer instruments means that you can may more attention to those instruments. With a lot of instruments, a lot of things can happen at the same time, but to much of it can give a slightly chaotic sound. With fewer instruments, the possibilities are limited, but it gives a different sound. quote: And this is getting very off-topic now. It's the Spiderweb forum :P But I have to agree with you, although I don't really mind. -------------------- There are 400 words in the dictionary that begin with "self" and only 8 that begin with "fellow". When in doubt. . . mumble. Posts: 150 \| Registered: Saturday, August 20 2005 07:00
Thralni Master Member # 5977	written Monday, May 1 2006 04:59 Profile Homepage #55 quote: But there are a lot of metalbands that contain out of six people plus (even up to 9). Of course, most orchestra's are bigger, but there are also these small groups with only 4 or 5 instruments (sorry, don't know the word for it [Roll Eyes] ) And some metalbands use samplers that can imitate an entire orchestra. It's not the same as a full orchestra, but it sounds quite like it. Ensemble, perhaps? :P But really, we were talking about an orchestra here. If we are going to switch over to ensembles, then it will be sort of the same as metal bands, only the sounds of the instruments will be somewhat different. samplers eh? then you'll need a lot of players in your metal band, but the idea is nice. However, then you can't have all the extra things a real instruments can do, so you have the orchestra, without the possibilities. quote: Anyway, You can look at that from 2 perspectives. A lot of instruments mean a lot of possibilities, but fewer instruments means that you can may more attention to those instruments. With a lot of instruments, a lot of things can happen at the same time, but to much of it can give a slightly chaotic sound. With fewer instruments, the possibilities are limited, but it gives a different sound. Its really not difficult to listen to a specific instrument. I do it all the time. The instruments in an orchestra all have their own sound (except the strings), so tracking down a specific instrument is not very hard. When two instruments DO have similair sounds, just listen to the height of the tone. If the tone is very high, then it might be a violon, but if its low, it could be a viola or a cello. -------------------- Play and rate my scenarios: Where the rivers meet View my upcoming scenario: The Nephil Search: Escape. Give us your drek! Posts: 3029 \| Registered: Saturday, June 18 2005 07:00
Snafta Warrior Member # 6234	written Monday, May 1 2006 05:05 Profile #56 quote: Originally written by Mc 'mini' Thralni: samplers eh? then you'll need a lot of players in your metal band, but the idea is nice. However, then you can't have all the extra things a real instruments can do, so you have the orchestra, without the possibilities. Of course, a real orchestra sounds better, but it's a lot easier and cheaper using a sampler for them. But you are confusing a synthesizer with a sampler. A synthesizer makes sounds, and works a bit like a keyboard. A sampler plays samples, taken from synthesizers or any other instrument, or more instruments at the same time. So you can sample an entire orchestra, with one small device. It'll have as good as the same sound. quote: Its really not difficult to listen to a specific instrument. I do it all the time. The instruments in an orchestra all have their own sound (except the strings), so tracking down a specific instrument is not very hard. When two instruments DO have similair sounds, just listen to the height of the tone. If the tone is very high, then it might be a violon, but if its low, it could be a viola or a cello. True, although it wasn't really my point. The problem is, I can't remember what it was :P . [ Monday, May 01, 2006 05:09: Message edited by: Snafta a.k.a. no chicken for sale ] -------------------- There are 400 words in the dictionary that begin with "self" and only 8 that begin with "fellow". When in doubt. . . mumble. Posts: 150 \| Registered: Saturday, August 20 2005 07:00
radix malorum est cupiditas Lifecrafter Member # 6403	written Monday, May 1 2006 06:00 Profile #57 Thralni - I suggest you listen to the song Overture by Dream Theater. You could not be more wrong that metal bands cannot play what orchestras are capable of. -------------------- ??? ?????? ???? ????? Posts: 883 \| Registered: Wednesday, October 19 2005 07:00
Thralni Master Member # 5977	written Monday, May 1 2006 08:15 Profile Homepage #58 quote: Originally written by Snafta a.k.a. no chicken for sale: quote: Originally written by Mc 'mini' Thralni: samplers eh? then you'll need a lot of players in your metal band, but the idea is nice. However, then you can't have all the extra things a real instruments can do, so you have the orchestra, without the possibilities. Of course, a real orchestra sounds better, but it's a lot easier and cheaper using a sampler for them. But you are confusing a synthesizer with a sampler. A synthesizer makes sounds, and works a bit like a keyboard. A sampler plays samples, taken from synthesizers or any other instrument, or more instruments at the same time. So you can sample an entire orchestra, with one small device. It'll have as good as the same sound. Oh... yes, you're right, I was thinking of a synthesizer. So how does a sampler work? I mean, how does it get the data? Is it programmed by somebody beforehand, or during playing, does it get data from some machine? It stays an electronic sound. In afew years the sound will ge better and better, but right now, the sounds that are produced by synthesizers and that sort of equipment, isn't like a normal orchestra. And now I forgot how thid discussion between me and Snafta had actually started. Oh well :P EDIT: Infernal, could you give me a link? [ Monday, May 01, 2006 08:16: Message edited by: Mc 'mini' Thralni ] -------------------- Play and rate my scenarios: Where the rivers meet View my upcoming scenario: The Nephil Search: Escape. Give us your drek! Posts: 3029 \| Registered: Saturday, June 18 2005 07:00
radix malorum est cupiditas Lifecrafter Member # 6403	written Monday, May 1 2006 08:26 Profile #59 I couldn't find it online. Could someone tell me how to upload music files? -------------------- ??? ?????? ???? ????? Posts: 883 \| Registered: Wednesday, October 19 2005 07:00
Thralni Master Member # 5977	written Monday, May 1 2006 09:04 Profile Homepage #60 Hmmm... Can you blieve Classical metal I was listening just now, almost made me cry? -------------------- Play and rate my scenarios: Where the rivers meet View my upcoming scenario: The Nephil Search: Escape. Give us your drek! Posts: 3029 \| Registered: Saturday, June 18 2005 07:00
The Almighty Doer of Stuff Shaper Member # 73	written Monday, May 1 2006 09:58 Profile #61 Thralni: A sampler takes actual recordings of the instrument playing a note and then plays them back in the order you want, so it sounds real because it is real. -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 \| Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00
Joseph Stalin Infiltrator Member # 5991	written Monday, May 1 2006 10:19 Profile Homepage #62 All modern music was influenced by the king a.k.a. OZZY.So if you do not like it ,blame him. -------------------- George Bush is a Nazi - Eric Cartmen I'm not as think you stoned I am Visit the RIFQ Forums Posts: 462 \| Registered: Tuesday, June 21 2005 07:00
radix malorum est cupiditas Lifecrafter Member # 6403	written Monday, May 1 2006 10:31 Profile #63 Ozzy was a god, he has recently buried himself into a grave made out of manure. -------------------- ??? ?????? ???? ????? Posts: 883 \| Registered: Wednesday, October 19 2005 07:00
WiKiSpidweb Infiltrator Member # 3441	written Monday, May 1 2006 12:10 Profile Homepage #64 quote: Thralni: A sampler takes actual recordings of the instrument playing a note and then plays them back in the order you want, so it sounds real because it is real. Whether it makes the same sounds as the instrument or not, it can't express the subtle changes in notes. I can play a high E on the cello about a thousand different ways. I can play it with a slow wide vibrato, or a fast tight vibrato. I can play it with long smooth bowing (legato), normal bowing (detache), loud accented bowing (marcato), short choppy bowing (stacatto), and many, many more. A sample of a note from an instrument is almost as bad as using a keyboard. -------------------- "As our circle of knowledge expands, so does the circumference of darkness surrounding it." --Albert Einstein -------------------- Posts: 536 \| Registered: Sunday, September 7 2003 07:00
Thuryl ...b10010b... Member # 869	written Monday, May 1 2006 13:34 Profile Homepage #65 quote: Originally written by radix malorum est cupiditas: Ozzy was a god, he has recently buried himself into a grave made out of manure. For a brief moment, I thought you meant that literally. It's the sort of thing he would do. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 \| Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Monday, May 1 2006 17:19 Profile Homepage #66 quote: Originally written by Wild Kinky Slugs: Whether it makes the same sounds as the instrument or not, it can't express the subtle changes in notes. I can play a high E on the cello about a thousand different ways. I can play it with a slow wide vibrato, or a fast tight vibrato. I can play it with long smooth bowing (legato), normal bowing (detache), loud accented bowing (marcato), short choppy bowing (stacatto), and many, many more. A sample of a note from an instrument is almost as bad as using a keyboard. What if the sampler has samples of someone bowing a number of ways and with a number of different vibratos? My understanding is that the best samples are really quite comprehensive. It's still not as good as real playing, granted, but it can come close enough that there are people who genuinely can't tell if the music is a performance or samples. —Alorael, who listened to a number of aforementioned pieces of music and remained unimpressed. Then he went looking for the "angry moonlight" movement of the Moonlight Sonata and discovered he doesn't have a Moonlight Sonata recording at all. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
WiKiSpidweb Infiltrator Member # 3441	written Monday, May 1 2006 17:49 Profile Homepage #67 I really wasn't exagerrating when I said thousands of ways. Besides five or six different bowing styles I haven't mentioned, you can also shape notes, that is to say, start off with a slow vibrato then tighten it, then widen it again, all within the same note. You can slide into notes, or hit them on pitch. You can bow at different distances from the bridge. The combinations of these things are pretty much infinite. To complicate matters even further, every instrument, even identical models, have there own subtle differences in timbre. While the sound from might be indistinguishable from the actual instrument (I am not convinced of this) it will not sound the same as Yo-Yo Ma playing it. It won't even come close. Why settle for second best? -------------------- "As our circle of knowledge expands, so does the circumference of darkness surrounding it." --Albert Einstein -------------------- Posts: 536 \| Registered: Sunday, September 7 2003 07:00
Thralni Master Member # 5977	written Monday, May 1 2006 21:41 Profile Homepage #68 Indeed, and what you just said applies for all instruments. I also doubt that a machine can play music like a human being would do. A machine stays a machine, and therefor the drama will probably stay away, unles you literally record every note, but then the sampler won't be necessary anymore. Then you can just buy a CD and be done with it. -------------------- Play and rate my scenarios: Where the rivers meet View my upcoming scenario: The Nephil Search: Escape. Give us your drek! Posts: 3029 \| Registered: Saturday, June 18 2005 07:00
stu_pidd_cow Apprentice Member # 7084	written Monday, May 1 2006 22:18 Profile Homepage #69 A lot of you like all this roch, eh? You should try Nightwish... great band, they are. Too bad they kicked out the lead singer :( -------------------- Real boyz kiss boyz Posts: 19 \| Registered: Saturday, April 29 2006 07:00
Ash Lael E Equals MC What!!!! Member # 5491	written Monday, May 1 2006 22:31 Profile Homepage #70 quote: Originally written by stu_pidd_cow: Real boyz kiss boyz I find this statement somewhat arguable. -------------------- SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice. Posts: 1861 \| Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00
Snafta Warrior Member # 6234	written Tuesday, May 2 2006 01:21 Profile #71 quote: Originally written by Mc 'mini' Thralni: Indeed, and what you just said applies for all instruments. I also doubt that a machine can play music like a human being would do. A machine stays a machine, and therefor the drama will probably stay away, unles you literally record every note, but then the sampler won't be necessary anymore. Then you can just buy a CD and be done with it. This goes for every instrument. If you record the sound of any instrument, and try to play that exact note again, that's almost impossible. You'll always hear a slight different. That's the human part of it, and that is what makes it interesting: the not extremely perfectness of it. Slight changes, little mistakes, an extra note, a forgotten note, all slight variation made in a second or less. Trying to put all those things into a sampler is impossible. But on the other hand, samplers provide, when using good samples and a good, high tech sampler, a great sound, which can easily be mistaken for the real thing. But the main reason for using it, is that it's far more easy and cheaper then getting an entire orchestra. But an orchestra is more imposant though. It has a more overwhelming power then a guy with a sampler. -------------------- There are 400 words in the dictionary that begin with "self" and only 8 that begin with "fellow". When in doubt. . . mumble. Posts: 150 \| Registered: Saturday, August 20 2005 07:00
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Tuesday, May 2 2006 07:30 Profile Homepage #72 I don't think anybody actually uses a sampler to just string together samples. There's always digital alteration of the notes as well. The result obviously isn't the same as a real orchestra, but it can come surprisingly close and, as has been pointed out, it's a lot easier to have a sampler than an orchestra. —Alorael, who used to be impressed by the quality of sound some people could eke out of their MIDI. To be fair, he's still impressed. It's just not nearly as good as what other formats can accomplish even with synthesizers. How technology has advanced! Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Thralni Master Member # 5977	written Wednesday, May 3 2006 00:13 Profile Homepage #73 Believe it or not, but after listening to Apocalyptica for a few days, I developed a liking for metal. All I want at the moment is more metal to listen to. Lets start with Metallica. What are the good songs? -------------------- Play and rate my scenarios: Where the rivers meet View my upcoming scenario: The Nephil Search: Escape. Give us your drek! Posts: 3029 \| Registered: Saturday, June 18 2005 07:00
radix malorum est cupiditas Lifecrafter Member # 6403	written Wednesday, May 3 2006 00:23 Profile #74 Their first four albums, Kill 'em All, Ride the Lightning, Master of Puppets and And Justice for All are thrash metal. The next five, Metallica, Load, Reload, Garage Inc. and S&M are a mix of thrash and hard-rock. Their last album, St. Anger is nu metal. Never listen to nu metal. For people just starting with metal, it's easier to start with hard-rock and then progress your way harder depending on your tastes. So I would suggest albums five through nine. -------------------- ??? ?????? ???? ????? Posts: 883 \| Registered: Wednesday, October 19 2005 07:00