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I started up netscape, and the first thing I saw was the new Mac mini with intel processor of Apple. i think I almost fainted of enthusiasme. I'm curious to know what you people think about this? I'm almost ready to buy it.

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I think they screwed up by using Intel processors. They should have used AMD's, or at least gave the end user the ability to choose which of the two to use.

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Well, regardless of the processor, the only real problem that I see with the new one is that they went with an integrated graphics chip, although for what it's intended to be used for does not really require stunning FPS.

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quote:
Originally written by Eldibs:

I think they screwed up by using Intel processors. They should have used AMD's, or at least gave the end user the ability to choose which of the two to use.
I agree that the AMD chips are better, but none of the major pre-built computer companies let you choose btween the two. They all have a contract with one or the other. With a few exceptions, Dell and Gateway use Intel chips exclusively, and HP/Compaq use AMD. Personally, I hate macs (and other prebuilt machines for that matter) because of all the proprietary components. I have nothing against MacOS, but I want to be able to build my own machine.

[ Wednesday, March 01, 2006 06:46: Message edited by: Tyranicus ]

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I'm going to have to agree with you there. Regardless of how good or bad the OS is, proprietary and integrated components are bad.

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No offence, but isn't it stunning that the first reply to every topic I saw of this kind (that has nothing to do ith Spiderweb) is always negative?

I just noticed that. :)

I actually never heard of the AMD chips, but they ARE better then the PowerPC crap they used before. Come on! A mac mini being 4.7 time faster! Isn't that a lot better? A Mac mini having everything the Imac G5 has only FAR smaller. isn't that very nice?

@Tyranicus: What I don't understand in your reply is the following: You say that you don't like Mac, but don't mind MacOS. For as far as I know, Mac and MacOS are the same, making your statement a contradictory statement. Did you mean you don't like Apple but do like MacOS, or something completely different?

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"Mac" also refers to the computer itself. "I don't like Macs" could mean that one cannot stand the way that the computers themselves are physically assembled. A Mac isn't simply a PC running the Mac OS, after all; the hardware is different, too.

Personally, I like not having to put anything together myself; take it out of the box, plug it in, and turn it on, and it works!

And by the way, Thralni, please stop spelling -asm words with -asme. In English, "sarcasm" and "enthusiasm" don't have E's on the end.

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I often make that misktake.

And I also forgot about the "I like Macs" referring to the computer itself. It is probably like "I hate PCs", right? (Is it PC's or PCs?)

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Either, really. An apostrophe after plural acronyms was standard, but I think both are now acceptable and PCs is less ambiguous.

—Alorael, who likes Macs and Mac OS. He's willing to accept the chip change as a necessary step, but he'd really be happier if Apple could have just stuck with their old chip, or at least kept Classic around. He still uses it incessantly.
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Idly, "PC" means "Personal Computer", and should in a true and just society refer not only to Windows and Macintosh computers, but also to Amigas and Commodore 64ks and Linux users and so on. The problem of course being that there's already a short name for Mac users, but "a Windows computer" is pretty bulky. Hence "PC" got co-opted by the Windows people somewhere along the line.

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quote:
Originally written by Joined Tomorrow:

—Alorael, who likes Macs and Mac OS. He's willing to accept the chip change as a necessary step, but he'd really be happier if Apple could have just stuck with their old chip, or at least kept Classic around. He still uses it incessantly.
How do you mean, calssic is still there in 10.4, or do you mean it doesn't wok anymore with the Intel based computers?

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Classic doesn't work on Intel Macs.

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quote:
Originally written by Derakon:

Idly, "PC" means "Personal Computer", and should in a true and just society refer not only to Windows and Macintosh computers, but also to Amigas and Commodore 64ks and Linux users and so on. The problem of course being that there's already a short name for Mac users, but "a Windows computer" is pretty bulky. Hence "PC" got co-opted by the Windows people somewhere along the line.
When IBM entered the personal computer market in the early 80's, they called their machine the 'IBM PC'. Before that, PC wasn't a ubiquitous acronym. They got into the game in a big way quickly, by going with an open architecture: a box full of off-the-shelf components wired together. This meant that the PC design was easy to reverse engineer and clone, and it created the PC-as-built-by-anybody that we know today. For a while such cloned machines were called 'IBM compatible', but sometime in the early 90's, I think, the term 'PC' got detached from the IBM original.

Those first IBM PCs were quite impressive machines for their time. They had bigger screens than the Apple II, 16-bit operation instead of the previously standard 8-bit, and they all came with floppy disk drives -- a high-end option previously. And this weird, disk-based operating system to go with them.

At least this is my rather sketchy memory from when my relatively wealthy friend got one, and made the rest of us all envious.

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Most Linux users are using PCs in the IBM PC compatible sense. The others aren't compatible, but I think the real question isn't why PC doesn't apply to Amigas, SparcStations, Macs, and so on but why PC applies to the computers in public libraries, laboratories, and the like.

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By the way, one major reason why Apple is switching to Intel chips is that Motorola has been very unreliable with meeting production deadlines, to the point of delaying new product releases and hurting sales. This is also why AMD isn't a realistic option -- Intel produces chips in large volumes to tight schedules, which is what Apple wants. A faster chip isn't better if it's not available when it's needed.

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If there is no classic on the Intel Macs, I'll just play exile on my PC or not at all, and switch to a different webeditor. To be honest, I'd rather have "front row" than Classic.

This reminds me, are all Avernums (1,2,3,4,BoA) OS X native, or still not all of them?

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They're all OS X native now.

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