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Icshi Mongolian Barbeque Member # 1528	written Saturday, June 25 2005 11:39 Profile #25 quote: Originally written by wz. arsenic...: quote: Originally written by Icshi: Some people are just really, really sick I guess, and should be put to sleep for being so incredibly twisted. I'll go get my syringes ready and find vile dens of software pirates to elevate to that sweet, sweet state of bliss... Sure, kick them while they're down, just because they can't publicly defend themselves on these forums. They're people too, you know, and they have feelings! I hope you feel better after letting out that incredible hatred whose match I have never yet encountered. This is called hyperbole. I was jesting. And yes, I do feel better after letting all that hatred out. Thanks for asking! That reminds me—letting out steam on this forum is cheaper than visiting a psychotherapist. That's one reason why I have money to spend on shareware games and don't have to resort to piracy. :P [ Saturday, June 25, 2005 11:40: Message edited by: Icshi ] -------------------- The A.E. van Vogt Information Site My Tribute to the Greatest Writer of the Science Fiction Golden Age Posts: 907 \| Registered: Monday, July 15 2002 07:00
wz. As Infiltrator Member # 3040	written Saturday, June 25 2005 11:50 Profile #26 quote: Originally written by Exceptionally Masculine: And Jeff isn't a person? You think he appreciates having his work which he spent so much time and effort on stolen? Anybody who would defend a thief simply because they are people deserve to be shot. Murderers are people, so do you feel the same way about them? What about rapists? And drug dealers? You disgust me. Thanks so much for that. quote: Originally written by Icshi: This is called hyperbole. I was jesting. And yes, I do feel better after letting all that hatred out. Thanks for asking! That reminds me—letting out steam on this forum is cheaper than visiting a psychotherapist. That's one reason why I have money to spend on shareware games and don't have to resort to piracy. Well yes, I figured you were, and answered in kind. Thanks for getting the joke. :) [ Saturday, June 25, 2005 12:20: Message edited by: wz. arsenic... ] -------------------- 5.0.1.0.0.0.0.1.0... Posts: 508 \| Registered: Thursday, May 29 2003 07:00
Icshi Mongolian Barbeque Member # 1528	written Saturday, June 25 2005 11:52 Profile #27 Okay. Sorry. Besides, you know I'd never jab people with lethal syringes. At least, not without their prior consent and payment. I believe Dr. Kevorkian has made a real killing in this kind of business, and it's 100% tax deductible since it's done for humanitarian purposes. [ Saturday, June 25, 2005 11:54: Message edited by: Icshi ] -------------------- The A.E. van Vogt Information Site My Tribute to the Greatest Writer of the Science Fiction Golden Age Posts: 907 \| Registered: Monday, July 15 2002 07:00
Diarog Lethuta Warrior Member # 5966	written Saturday, June 25 2005 13:51 Profile Homepage #28 quote: "Also, everybody looks more stylish with a puffy shirt on their back, a cutlass by their side and a parrot on their shoulder." --Thuryl Yes :) , a very popular form of dress. Everybody I know goes around like that. -------------------- Ever since I met you so very long ago, There's been something I've badly needed to know, Do you love me and want to end my pain? Or do I pursue your love in vain? "And your not a doctor, but you play one in real life" -Jerry Seinfield "My power extends far beyond space and time, do not dare oppose me, for my wrath is something to be greatly feared" -Diarog Lethuta: The Tome of Diarog Lethuta, Egypt, 5000 B.C. Posts: 91 \| Registered: Thursday, June 16 2005 07:00
Sturg Master Member # 4614	written Saturday, June 25 2005 14:14 Profile Homepage #29 Well, the main problem is that the CD that I buy at WalMart can easily be given to someone else. They need to come up with some sort of hacker-proof system to combat that type of thing if it's possible. -------------------- -ben4808 For those who love to spam: CSM Forums RIFQ Posts: 3360 \| Registered: Friday, June 25 2004 07:00
Icshi Mongolian Barbeque Member # 1528	written Saturday, June 25 2005 14:42 Profile #30 How about creating a CD format that self-destructs after being used once? You know, pop in your drive, install the game, eject CD. Then the CD turns into a puddle of slime. :P -------------------- The A.E. van Vogt Information Site My Tribute to the Greatest Writer of the Science Fiction Golden Age Posts: 907 \| Registered: Monday, July 15 2002 07:00
Diarog Lethuta Warrior Member # 5966	written Saturday, June 25 2005 14:55 Profile Homepage #31 quote: "How about creating a CD format that self-destructs after being used once? You know, pop in your drive, install the game, eject CD. Then the CD turns into a puddle of slime." -- Icshi Nice idea, but this kind of eleminate's your right to make back-up copies. With out back-ups, you would have to buy the game all over again if something were to happen to original. And I don't think that the company that made the game would send you a new copy if anything bad happened to your original. It wouldn't be worth the expense to them. -- Diarog Lethuta -------------------- Ever since I met you so very long ago, There's been something I've badly needed to know, Do you love me and want to end my pain? Or do I pursue your love in vain? "And your not a doctor, but you play one in real life" -Jerry Seinfield "My power extends far beyond space and time, do not dare oppose me, for my wrath is something to be greatly feared" -Diarog Lethuta: The Tome of Diarog Lethuta, Egypt, 5000 B.C. Posts: 91 \| Registered: Thursday, June 16 2005 07:00
Thuryl ...b10010b... Member # 869	written Saturday, June 25 2005 15:03 Profile Homepage #32 quote: Originally written by Icshi: How about creating a CD format that self-destructs after being used once? You know, pop in your drive, install the game, eject CD. Then the CD turns into a puddle of slime. :P I'm pretty sure some companies have actually done that (not literally with the melting-into-ooze part, but with non-reusable CDs). The trouble is that this makes reinstallation really obnoxious if it becomes necessary (eg. due to a HD crash or getting a new computer). EDIT: DL, most companies actually will send you replacement disks if you send in proof of purchase. They'll only reliably do so for a couple of years after release, though. [ Saturday, June 25, 2005 15:04: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 \| Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
Jumpin Salmon ? Man, ? Amazing Member # 5755	written Saturday, June 25 2005 15:08 Profile #33 Umm there is always web-enabling. Like when you install something and it needs to register itself back with the home servers. That would work for SW. If you swapped PCs or something, use the unregister option or somesuch device. The more technical you make something the more frustrating it can be when it is hacked in 2 minutes. I remember back in the way back days, you needed a piece of hardware (called a dongle) plugged into your com port in order to use a piece of software. that took 2 minutes to hack with a ohmmeter. software registration does work though, as long as it is enforced. this message funded by the piracy police, you know we're napping, right? Posts: 4114 \| Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00
Walter Infiltrator Member # 878	written Saturday, June 25 2005 18:32 Profile #34 Yes you may have people thinking "I wouldn't pay for it, but I'll play it if its free", but it still impacts sales as other people are also thinking "I want this badly and I would pay for this if I had to, but why bother when I can get it for free" -------------------- Warning: Posts may contain misspellinks and typo.s Posts: 409 \| Registered: Sunday, March 31 2002 08:00
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Saturday, June 25 2005 19:46 Profile Homepage #35 To some extent, but most people are not skilled at cracking games and have no idea where to go or who to talk to to get cracks. Large, popular, famous games are the biggest victims, but they have so many buyers it's arguable whether they lost more in percentage. Spiderweb games are really niche games, so relatively few people probably crack them, so few people distrbute the cracks, so they're harder to get. If it's really inconvenient to get a cracked game, most people will either give up or pay. —Alorael, who supposes that this sort of game anonymity works as a kind of piracy protection. Unfortutately, it's very epensive. You lost the money you'd get from having a popular game. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Walter Infiltrator Member # 878	written Saturday, June 25 2005 19:59 Profile #36 Not going to say how, but after seeing this thread I checked, and through a method many are likely to use, it is VERY easy to find a crack for spiderweb games, so it is still a serious problem for small games. -------------------- Warning: Posts may contain misspellinks and typo.s Posts: 409 \| Registered: Sunday, March 31 2002 08:00
wz. As Infiltrator Member # 3040	written Saturday, June 25 2005 20:50 Profile #37 quote: Originally written by Walter: Not going to say how, but after seeing this thread I checked, and through a method many are likely to use, it is VERY easy to find a crack for spiderweb games, so it is still a serious problem for small games. I would like to add my agreement that virtually all games that are crackable have been cracked. I also agree with the idea that people who obtain copies illegally would not buy the games were the illegal copies unavailable. -------------------- 5.0.1.0.0.0.0.1.0... Posts: 508 \| Registered: Thursday, May 29 2003 07:00
Walter Infiltrator Member # 878	written Saturday, June 25 2005 21:01 Profile #38 As I said, it may be true that many people wouldn't buy the games even if the illegal copies weren't available. However there are also many who would. It is just as unreasonable to conclude that almost everyone who would be willing to pay the purchase price of a game to play it if they could not get it for free do not care about how unethical or morally wrong it is to steal the game more than they care about the cost of the game as it would be to conclude that there is almost no one who would like to try playing that game but don't think it would be worth the purchase price or can't afford it in any case and don't care about the ethics. -------------------- Warning: Posts may contain misspellinks and typo.s Posts: 409 \| Registered: Sunday, March 31 2002 08:00
Icshi Mongolian Barbeque Member # 1528	written Saturday, June 25 2005 21:09 Profile #39 quote: Originally written by Jumpin' Salmon: Umm there is always web-enabling. Like when you install something and it needs to register itself back with the home servers. I just recently purchased SoundSoap 2 (by Bias), and had to go through something very much like this. I guess each copy has it's own unique serial code that has to be sent in to get the companion string of gibberish that will let you continue using the product. I didn't have to pay for this code, I just registered online. Of course, anything can be cracked if a person with the right skills sets to work on it, but this kind of system would make it more difficult. But I'm no technical expert here, so if I got any of these facts wrong please excuse me. -------------------- The A.E. van Vogt Information Site My Tribute to the Greatest Writer of the Science Fiction Golden Age Posts: 907 \| Registered: Monday, July 15 2002 07:00
Walter Infiltrator Member # 878	written Saturday, June 25 2005 21:14 Profile #40 Well I've heard of problems where someone buys Norton Antivirus and try to activate it online, but are told they can't as its already been activated as someone made a program to generate cd keys and used thier code already too many times. -------------------- Warning: Posts may contain misspellinks and typo.s Posts: 409 \| Registered: Sunday, March 31 2002 08:00
Slp006 Warrior Member # 5986	written Saturday, June 25 2005 21:25 Profile #41 I guess it's our job as loyal supporters of "The Shareware Concept" to take the moral high ground and never use a crack of something. Circumventing security will always be a problem as long a someone really wants to get somewhere he or she is not entitled to access. Most immoral people aren't wise enough to find an intelligent way to steal something, so all we should do is hope that the few smart ones grow a conscience and continue to buy our on software. -------------------- Wu wei... it's the only way Posts: 154 \| Registered: Monday, June 20 2005 07:00
Jumpin Salmon ? Man, ? Amazing Member # 5755	written Saturday, June 25 2005 21:51 Profile #42 Yeah, you got it right. Although my Norton Firewall just registers the product and gets the gibberish back and puts it somewhere automatically. I just walked away (dialup) and let it download the 6Mb update. I have also heard of keygens screwing legitimate purchasers. The answer to that one is that someone, somewhere in the supply chain copied down a whole bunch of legitmate serial numbers and supplied them to the internet trolls. i lost some packaging for quickbooks99 and intuit was (and is) no help for reinstallation, so i went online and got codes. simple. and i had bought the software, tried communicating with the company, so i felt that i was on the higher moral ground, even though it still created this false demand for the illegal product being hawked on the internet. since then of course intuit has made me upgrade 3 times in order to keep "up to date with changing tax codes" or some wonk. anyhow, jeffs way is nice and simple, and like Alo says, he probably loses <100 registrations a year, but still $3000! Yo Jeff! Try out the web reg thingy. Maybe that will be better! Especially since you tie it with email addresses... this message sponsored by bed and the many joys found therein Posts: 4114 \| Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00
Slp006 Warrior Member # 5986	written Saturday, June 25 2005 21:55 Profile #43 How often does Jeff actually read the boards? -------------------- Wu wei... it's the only way Posts: 154 \| Registered: Monday, June 20 2005 07:00
Dolphin Shaper Member # 5437	written Saturday, June 25 2005 21:56 Profile #44 I don't think he does at all. -------------------- Nena Posts: 2032 \| Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00
Ash Lael E Equals MC What!!!! Member # 5491	written Saturday, June 25 2005 21:59 Profile Homepage #45 Never. -------------------- Sex is easier than love. Posts: 1861 \| Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00
Thuryl ...b10010b... Member # 869	written Saturday, June 25 2005 23:34 Profile Homepage #46 Well, almost never. He reads the board for each newly-released game for a few weeks after it comes out, and then he disappears again. -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 \| Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
Archmagus Micael Agent Member # 4506	written Sunday, June 26 2005 00:37 Profile Homepage #47 He reads them sometimes. Anything can be cracked, but no-one will really bother cracking a £13 game. It's just a total waste of time. - Archmagi Micael -------------------- "You dare Trifle with Exile?" - Erika the Archmage -------------------- My Scenarios: Undead Valley : A small Undead problem, what could possibly go wrong? -------------------- Proof of Richard Black's existance: Richard Black - PROOF of his existance (the Infernal one's website). Posts: 1370 \| Registered: Thursday, June 10 2004 07:00
Diarog Lethuta Warrior Member # 5966	written Sunday, June 26 2005 05:45 Profile Homepage #48 We should start an anti-keygen group. We should protest and stuff. Heck, if any of you won't do it, I will. -- Diarog Lethuta -------------------- Ever since I met you so very long ago, There's been something I've badly needed to know, Do you love me and want to end my pain? Or do I pursue your love in vain? "And your not a doctor, but you play one in real life" -Jerry Seinfield "My power extends far beyond space and time, do not dare oppose me, for my wrath is something to be greatly feared" -Diarog Lethuta: The Tome of Diarog Lethuta, Egypt, 5000 B.C. Posts: 91 \| Registered: Thursday, June 16 2005 07:00
Ash Lael E Equals MC What!!!! Member # 5491	written Sunday, June 26 2005 06:55 Profile Homepage #49 Exactly how much difference do you expect that to make? -------------------- Sex is easier than love. Posts: 1861 \| Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00