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Infiltrator
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written Friday, June 24 2005 12:44
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What are Jeff and the rest of Spidweb doing against keygens aka programs that will register the program without you paying for it? -------------------- Visit the RIFQ Forums Posts: 462 | Registered: Tuesday, June 21 2005 07:00 |
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Nuke and Pave
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written Friday, June 24 2005 12:45
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Why would you want to know? -------------------- Be careful with a word, as you would with a sword, For it too has the power to kill. However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword, Can also have the power to heal. Posts: 2649 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Friday, June 24 2005 12:50
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Banning everyone who requests one and at minimum warning people who mention them, for starters. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Master
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written Friday, June 24 2005 12:57
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The community would warn/ban the perpetrators, yes. Jeff could technically file a lawsuit but it's not worth the trouble. -------------------- Polaris - Weather balloons, ninjas, and your big daddy Wise Man. What more could you want? Undead Theories - Don't Ask, Don't Tell Posts: 3323 | Registered: Thursday, April 25 2002 07:00 |
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Master
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written Friday, June 24 2005 13:05
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Basically, if you want to write a program to register a game, by all means go for it. But just don't discuss it here. Jeff doesn't really care that much. Some people should be honest enough to support the company they're getting a game from and pay for it. After all, a payment means continued production of games. -------------------- -ben4808 For those who love to spam: CSM Forums RIFQ Posts: 3360 | Registered: Friday, June 25 2004 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Friday, June 24 2005 13:46
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Jeff has written about how there's a certain level of inevitable piracy. You can just keep throwing time and money at the problem to no avail or you get on with your life. My personal opinion is that quite a few pirates would never pay for the game anyway, so they're not exactly a loss. Not that what they're doing isn't theft, but it's more like theft of potential money. —Alorael, who believes Jeff has also occasionally tried to have websites forced to remove information about how to register his games or shut down. The success rate probably hasn't been great. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Friday, June 24 2005 15:28
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I hate keygens! :mad: Grrr... :mad: They make me so mad. :mad: :mad: I mean, somebody makes a great game (or some other program), and a bunch of jerks go on ahead and make a keygen and mess it up for the guy (or girl) who made the program. Many times (especialy with Jeff) the programmer has spent much time and effort on their product. Then some really dumb people go on ahead and bypass the regestration with a keygen and hurt the person who made the game. (sometimes to such an extreame that person has to go out of bussines (Which I hope never happens to Jeff because he has the best games in the world)). The nerve! The Ignorence! I could go on like this for days, maybe even weeks, but my point is kids: keygens ruin lives. So never, ever use them. -- Diarog Lethuta Note: I HATE KEYGENS!!! :mad: -------------------- Ever since I met you so very long ago, There's been something I've badly needed to know, Do you love me and want to end my pain? Or do I pursue your love in vain? "And your not a doctor, but you play one in real life" -Jerry Seinfield "My power extends far beyond space and time, do not dare oppose me, for my wrath is something to be greatly feared" -Diarog Lethuta: The Tome of Diarog Lethuta, Egypt, 5000 B.C. Posts: 91 | Registered: Thursday, June 16 2005 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Friday, June 24 2005 17:03
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You don't say. I was contacted by a SpidWebber (not sure who, a female though) a while ago and she asked me if I wanted her to hack and get the Exile Trilogy for $10. I politely refused. [ Friday, June 24, 2005 17:03: Message edited by: Spring ] Posts: 2396 | Registered: Saturday, January 29 2005 08:00 |
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Mongolian Barbeque
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written Friday, June 24 2005 17:54
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It's inconceivable to me how anyone would not want to reward Jeff for the truly fantastic games he's made. As I mentioned elsewhere a while ago, I often have to physically restrain myself from sending Jeff extra cash out of sheer appreciation. I really enjoy paying him for his hard work and excellent products. If you don't like his games, fine, don't play them and don't steal them. If you do like them, pay for them gladly to show your appreciation. Some people are just really, really sick I guess, and should be put to sleep for being so incredibly twisted. I'll go get my syringes ready and find vile dens of software pirates to elevate to that sweet, sweet state of bliss... -------------------- The A.E. van Vogt Information Site My Tribute to the Greatest Writer of the Science Fiction Golden Age Posts: 907 | Registered: Monday, July 15 2002 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, June 24 2005 18:21
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quote:Sure, kick them while they're down, just because they can't publicly defend themselves on these forums. They're people too, you know, and they have feelings! I hope you feel better after letting out that incredible hatred whose match I have never yet encountered. -------------------- 5.0.1.0.0.0.0.1.0... Posts: 508 | Registered: Thursday, May 29 2003 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, June 24 2005 18:34
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It is really unfortunate, but apparently there are people who spend thier time coming up with things like keygens, and post thier work in ways that it's easy enough to find for someone who wants to look for it. Maybe they are just doing it because they think something like "Hacking is cool!" Not sure if Jeff is doing anything about it, but some such sites it may be possible to get it taken down by complaining to thier hosting company, but others it might take a costly, lengthy lawsuit with no gaurantee of success, and they'd just post their works elsewhere afterwards. -------------------- Warning: Posts may contain misspellinks and typo.s Posts: 409 | Registered: Sunday, March 31 2002 08:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Friday, June 24 2005 20:30
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No matter what the game is there is allways going to be piracy. It can't be stopped. But it's unfortunate that it happens to such a small company where they do need the money. It's not such a big deal when it's a larger company because they have alot of sales, but it's still not good. Posts: 776 | Registered: Friday, July 4 2003 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, June 24 2005 21:00
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Its effects are less noticeable for larger selling games, but as it impacts sales by a significant percent, it will likely impact how many quality games get produced and how big a budget thier development gets. (if the amount earned by a big budget game was bigger companies would be willing to risk spending more money to make a good game.) So while some people may like to say there's no real victim in such crime, the victims are all people who like to play games, not just the shareholders of the game making companies. -------------------- Warning: Posts may contain misspellinks and typo.s Posts: 409 | Registered: Sunday, March 31 2002 08:00 |
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written Friday, June 24 2005 21:17
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Only if you think that forcing games to be produced on smaller budgets is a bad thing for the gaming industry. -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, June 24 2005 21:27
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Well it also means fewer games will be made at all, as a proposal for a new game will be less likely to be accepted as it is less likely to have sales greater than production costs. And don't forget if budgets are cut that includes budgets for beta testing and bug fixing. Also, it may force companies to try to make up for it by selling games at higher prices. [ Friday, June 24, 2005 21:27: Message edited by: Walter ] -------------------- Warning: Posts may contain misspellinks and typo.s Posts: 409 | Registered: Sunday, March 31 2002 08:00 |
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BANNED
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written Friday, June 24 2005 21:43
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[ Friday, June 24, 2005 21:45: Message edited by: Exceptionally Masculine ] -------------------- I am the apidimy of seven sausages. The Abyss DEAD. TEH EVOL STRAWBERY When fruit fights back. End of World We're definitely going to blow ourselves up. Posts: 489 | Registered: Friday, December 20 2002 08:00 |
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BANNED
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written Friday, June 24 2005 21:45
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quote:And Jeff isn't a person? You think he appreciates having his work which he spent so much time and effort on stolen? Anybody who would defend a thief simply because they are people deserve to be shot. Murderers are people, so do you feel the same way about them? What about rapists? And drug dealers? You disgust me. -------------------- I am the apidimy of seven sausages. The Abyss DEAD. TEH EVOL STRAWBERY When fruit fights back. End of World We're definitely going to blow ourselves up. Posts: 489 | Registered: Friday, December 20 2002 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, June 24 2005 21:48
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quote:What if in the distant future there is a system of government supercomputers that monitor all internet activity for illegal actions? -------------------- Warning: Posts may contain misspellinks and typo.s Posts: 409 | Registered: Sunday, March 31 2002 08:00 |
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E Equals MC What!!!!
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written Friday, June 24 2005 22:00
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quote:To be fair, it'd be easier to build a case for Jeff being sick and twisted than for anyone who hacks a shareware game. -------------------- Sex is easier than love. Posts: 1861 | Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, June 24 2005 22:05
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Yes, who in thier right mind comes up with giant spiders who tell you you're cute in a high pitched voice. -------------------- Warning: Posts may contain misspellinks and typo.s Posts: 409 | Registered: Sunday, March 31 2002 08:00 |
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Shake Before Using
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written Friday, June 24 2005 22:11
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Then those, too, would inevitably be circumvented. A certain level of piracy is, in the end, inevitable with most game distribution methods. In the end, a balance needs to be struck between encouraging people to pay for your game and not putting cumbersome restrictions on those who would legitimately buy your game. While this seems to be overly pragmatic, in that you are allowing some piracy to go on, as Alorael said, a good portion of those who would pirate a game are unlikely to have purchased it if piracy was impossible. Posts: 3234 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, June 24 2005 22:21
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Yes, but if piracy was not a viable option, a good portion of those would have paid for it too if that was the only way to get it. -------------------- Warning: Posts may contain misspellinks and typo.s Posts: 409 | Registered: Sunday, March 31 2002 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Saturday, June 25 2005 01:21
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A lot wouldn't get the game if piracy wasn't an option. Its more of a 'I will get it because I can get it for free' situations. -------------------- Mugglenet--The ULTIMATE Harry Potter Site. Polaris-- New location. Posts: 2396 | Registered: Saturday, January 29 2005 08:00 |
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written Saturday, June 25 2005 03:01
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Also, everybody looks more stylish with a puffy shirt on their back, a cutlass by their side and a parrot on their shoulder. -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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? Man, ? Amazing
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written Saturday, June 25 2005 10:54
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I love research. Hypothesis - it is cheaper to find, download, and use a keygen for a software product than it would be to buy the license in the first place. Methods - {CoC} Results - You are more likely to get AIDS, gohnorrea, crabs, or any of the zillions other nasty infections from the sites that host keygens than any other host on the net. Since those little buggers cost money to keep off my system, and many others find that truth to be the same... Conclusions - It is cheaper financially to send some jerk software developer $35 than it is to pay some jerk to remove viruses from your PC. Mac less of a problem because people hate Gates, not Jobs. *this research conducted under a grant from the EPA. really.* Posts: 4114 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00 |