Repeal Amendment XXII

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Amendment XXII: the amendment passed in 1951 by Republicans who had gotten tired of the Roosevelt legacy to prevent running for President after having successfully done so twice.

Repealing Amendment XXII would make eligible for election in 2008 exactly two living men.

I'm for ridding ourselves of it. Opinions?

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Could you briefly explain the benefits of President George W. Bush running again in 2008?

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Indeed. Who is the other guy?

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Hint: his name starts with the first consonant in the alphabet and ends with "ill Clinton".

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Oh. Of course. I slap my face with a fish.

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So the upshot is that the potential benefit of Clinton getting to run a third time outweighs the danger of Bush getting in again?

You think third time's the charm?

I'm worried about this. Clinton has been smeared by the Right all this time even though he wasn't even running. I can only imagine what they'll do when he does.

[ Wednesday, January 26, 2005 03:42: Message edited by: To Elven-home, the Green and Fair ]

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Sounds like a case of voting for the lesser of two very big evils.

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Oh, I don't see how Clinton would be an evil. It's just that the republicans have got crap on him already, and they'll be sure to use it.

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Well other than his lying under oath while in office, he's really not that bad.

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Yeah. And I suppose besides setting up the counterterrorism systems, modern military organization, diplomatic hegemony, necessary budget surplus reserve, and 21st-century attitude -- all of which the GOP gutted like so many trout after holding power for a few months -- Clinton really wasn't so great, either.

Really, I say we repeal it because 2008 is otherwise going to be something inane, like McCain versus Dean or H. Clinton versus Giuliani. Two men representing the most respected living leaders of two dramatically contrasting political factions going head-to-head to win the newly-reinstated right to hold a third term in office would be utterly awesome.

[ Wednesday, January 26, 2005 06:03: Message edited by: Bad-Ass Mother Custer ]

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The only difference between Clinton and every other president in living memory is that his opponents got him to take an oath. Call me crazy, but I'd rather have the president lie about his love life than about non-existant WMDs or secret wars in Central America.

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Oh dear god, let it be as good as Dean vs. McCain. I'd be fine with either of those two as president. I sincerely doubt that it will be as pleasant as that.

I'm not sure I really like term limits on the executive, but I think the danger of having someone like George W. Bush in charge for more than two terms far overwhelms the potential benefit of having someone like Clinton have more than two terms. I mean, who here doubts that Reagan could've gotten re-elected in '88, even after the Alzheimer's had started to kick in?

I'd rather know that someone I hate is getting kicked out after a short while than have the chance to re-elect for a long time someone that I like.

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Despite being a dem, I would be utterly okay with McCain in '08.

The fact that a president is eligible for two terms is bad enough as it is. I think a single 6 year term would be better - more could be accomplished in that duration than in four years, and decisions would hopefully be less politicized, as there would be no reelection at stake.
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Three years, and a single term. And to replace the "reelection incentive", the president pays a substantial sum into the treasury from his private assets, which he only gets back (sans interest) if at the end of his term his approval rating is above, say, 60%.

What do you think?

Oh, of course president wouldn't be such a popular job then...

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I think your idea would simply lead to presidents trying to please the majority the whole time.

EDIT: And McCain is probably too "moderate" for the GOP to nominate him, the way things have been going.

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quote:
Originally written by Desert Pl@h:

I think your idea would simply lead to presidents trying to please the majority the whole time.
Even so, that would still be an improvement over the current situation.

And the GOP, the way it is now, will be damned if they put up anyone but Bush if they can, or Rice if they can't.

So far, we've only considered certain matches: Bill Clinton vs. Bush, Hillary vs. Rice, Dean vs. McCain...

What if it's Dean vs. Rice? Or Hillary vs. McCain?

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Unlimited terms are far more likely to help a charismatic but dishonest and ineffectual president than a good but boring one. It's good for the men who are good, honest, and likeable, but that's not many politicians. I'd say the potential costs of unlimited terms.

—Alorael, who isn't sure one term is a great idea either. On the one hand, it means presidents don't have to pander to their constituents. On the other hand, it means presidents don't have to listen to their constituents.
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Originally written by Where keen the air an pale as glass:
And the GOP, the way it is now, will be damned if they put up anyone but Bush if they can, or Rice if they can't.
Dude, there's no way this GOP would even consider Rice. She's too academic, too damaged goods from the Iraq thing, not good enough as a public speaker, and sadly, probably too not-white and too not-male.

With the way things are going currently, I wouldn't be surprised to see Bill Frist taking a stab at it. For Republicans right now, "it's the values, stupid!"

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Ah, yes, there we go. It has to be Bill Frist. That would infuriate me as much as anything I can think of, so that's probably what the Republicans will choose to do.

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I doubt Dean will run even if he doesn't become DNP chairman.

Dems:
Hillary
Joe Biden
Kucinich
Kerry?
The usual suspects

Republicans:
McCain
Pataki
Giuliani
Jeb Bush
The usual suspects

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Oh, another thought: I think an interesting match-up would be between Hillary Clinton and Dick Cheney. Both are exceedingly polarizing figures — there's a sizable number of people who HATE each of them — but both are prominent figures within their parties. I doubt that the R's would be dumb enough to nominate Cheney, but the D's nominated Kerry, so who knows.

Maybe H. Clinton vs. Frist. That seems likely. I don't know how that would turn out. My guess is that Clinton would win, but it would be close.

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Think about it this way: if we repeal it, we can have Arnold be our president for 12 years!

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One potential democratic candidate that we all may want to keep an eye on is Senator Evan Bayh of Indiana. He's moderate, he's been continually reelected to office in a pretty thoroughly Republican state, he's from the heartland, and he's a bit younger looking a la Edwards.

I think it could be Bayh v. Frist. I hope that Hillary doesn't run yet - I don't think she could beat Frist with the momentum the GOP has going.

I'm crossing my fingers that this Soc. Sec. issue will rend the GOP apart. :P

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If we repealed Amendment XXII, for the last election-- Clinton would be in office, not Bush. It cuts both ways 4 terms of Clinton would have been a nightmare for most Republicans. It cuts both ways. There is too much power in the presidency right now. It should be diluted into two positions.

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Like, as in President of the Democrats and President of the Republicans? That's sure a viable alternative... just split it up and everyone's happy. Or not?

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