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BANNED
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written Monday, August 9 2004 22:58
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Trust Weedy on this one, yeah, and regret it the whole rest of your lives! ;) -------------------- The Great Mister kommari@gmail.com[/url] Posts: 417 | Registered: Sunday, June 27 2004 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Tuesday, August 10 2004 00:07
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I will say that British rap (The Streets, anyone?) is rather different. The fact that the man can get away with saying "My gosh" in a rap song is evidence of how different the culture is. Heh. Headache-inducing bass. I'm listening to Rammstein right now. Anyway, a lot of rap fans say that popular mainstream rap in the United States right now is getting old. Gangsta rap is no longer new and edgy; it's cliched and kind of stupid at this point. Ten years ago it was serving a purpose, but now... well, conditions haven't gotten any better, but the bald hypocrisy of writing rhymes that glorify violence and the thug lifestyle while ending each performance with the word "Peace!" and describing the deaths of Tupac and Biggy as tragedies is getting old. People will only hear this so many times before realizing how pathetically contradictory it is. I'm not the biggest rap fan, but I'm told that underground rap, local groups, and the like are much more vital and strong than mainstream rap is right now. The genre is not in peril, even if the particular trends are. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Tuesday, August 10 2004 00:09
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Trust me on this one and regret you didn't do it earlier, yeah. -------------------- ahhahaha i rule u droool Posts: 756 | Registered: Monday, August 4 2003 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, August 10 2004 01:05
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I guessed so... I like Rap and Hip Hop, and that’s about the ONLY electronic music I like, of course I like the artists that use real instruments in their songs better. Any pop, techno, trance, country, and boy bands, I hate. Metalers, nu metalers, rappers and rockers have a message to say, and they have faith in their music, something I think poppers (O_o) don't have, or very few of them. Techno and trance is worthless and should be eliminated and incarcerated. Classical music like Mozart and Holst is talented and grand music, and electronica, witch is a better, MUCH better form of trance/techno requires talent. Trance/Techno is untalented and just as fun as watching paint dry with a bulldozer going wild behind you. -------------------- 33111-CRUSADER-4849 Posts: 662 | Registered: Friday, September 13 2002 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, August 10 2004 01:28
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Rap isn't that bad. Sometimes the rythm gets a little annoying, but some rappers have some excellent lyrics. Latin Rap is not bad at all. Some groups like "La Ley" are worthwhile a listening or two. I wonder if there'll ever be a group that mixes prog. rock with rap, and what the finalt result will sound like, or if it's even worthy of consideration. Someone once told me that Opera was the rap of the time. I wonder if the person was crazy or not. -------------------- quote:Random Jack Vance Quote Manual Generator Apparatus (Cugel's Saga) Posts: 604 | Registered: Sunday, June 20 2004 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, August 10 2004 01:42
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It's not hard to believe. Remember, novels -- all novels -- were once looked down upon as reading material suitable only for the uncultured middle class. And in the days when opera was high art, musical theatre was sniffed at. Nowadays you risk being seen as a snob if you can quote Gilbert and Sullivan and as a hoodlum if you can quote Eminem. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose. [ Tuesday, August 10, 2004 01:45: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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By Committee
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written Tuesday, August 10 2004 04:20
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Saltweed, music can move one without lyrics. Bach, Mozart, and all those blokes weren't just wasting their time. The truth of the matter is that it's all subjective. Posts: 2242 | Registered: Saturday, April 10 2004 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, August 10 2004 04:37
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Frankly, I'm not fond of music in general, nor of poetry, especially when they're used to get some supposedly profound message across. On the whole, if I feel like being told something, I'd much rather be told directly. I listen to music when I want a series of pretty noises to accompany something else I'm doing, and that's about it. Sorry, that probably sounded defensive. If all you're saying is that you consider certain works of classical music to be particularly pretty arrangements of noises, well, to each their own. [ Tuesday, August 10, 2004 04:40: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Babelicious
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written Tuesday, August 10 2004 07:04
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I'm not particularly surprised at the country-bashing going on here. Most young people seem incapable at looking at a genre beyond its most recent and famous representatives. If all you're considering is Garth Brooks and Faith Hill, of course country is terrible. But that's ignoring Johnny Cash, Hank Williams, the Carter family, and a number of other truly talented American roots musicians who started the folk tradition. It's like judging metal by crap like Papa Roach and Disturbed, or judging rap by Lil Jon. (Which is sadly common; have any of you ever listened to KRS-ONE?) Every genre of music has its trash and its geniuses. I stopped paying attention to supposed genres a long time ago, because I realized that they don't really mean anything. I mean, what's Big Black? Are they noise-rock? Post-punk? Punk? Industrial? Maybe they're somewhere in between. I frankly don't care. All I know is that they've got crazy guitar sounds and lyrics that punch you in the face, and that's what I like. The more people obsess about genre, the less they care about music, in my experience. -------------------- I've got a pyg in a poke. Posts: 999 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
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Master
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written Tuesday, August 10 2004 10:29
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I'm not going to bash country music because I have to listen to it every day going to shool because it's the bus driver's favorite. :P -------------------- -ben4808 For those who love to spam: CSM Forums RIFQ Posts: 3360 | Registered: Friday, June 25 2004 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, August 10 2004 10:54
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They have radios in school buses now? What's next? Bathrooms? Eh... for once I agree with Andrea (well actually I'm starting to a lot recently). I personally don't care much for the modern country genre, but I do like Johnny Cash. Also, KRS-One is some of my favorite. And we all know what I think about most rap/hip-hop/that thing. [ Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:57: Message edited by: The Demonslayer ] -------------------- The critics agree! Demonslayer is "a five star hit!" raves TIMES Weekly! "I've never heard such thoughtful comments. This man is a genious!" says two-time Nobel Prize winning physicist Erwin Rasputin! Posts: 1582 | Registered: Wednesday, November 13 2002 08:00 |
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written Tuesday, August 10 2004 11:07
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..and what you think about rap/hip-hop is just because you haven't heard good finnish hip-hop yet! Also, note, by "good", I don't mean the mainstream artists. Just so you know, Weedy. [ Tuesday, August 10, 2004 11:08: Message edited by: BigFatDonkey ] -------------------- The Great Mister kommari@gmail.com[/url] Posts: 417 | Registered: Sunday, June 27 2004 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Tuesday, August 10 2004 11:34
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I can't stand most mainstream rap and hiphop. Sometime last year, I heard a song on the school bus radio (Jimmy the busdriver plays Jammin 94.5, despite the protests of people with actual taste in music, because there's three or so people in the back who incessantly scream "THIS IS CRAP! TURN IT OFF! CHANGE IT!" etc. when anything else is played.) that went like this: "If you don't give a d***, we don't give a f***! If you don't give a d***, we don't give a f***! If you don't give a d***, we don't give a f***! If you don't give a d***, we don't give a f***! Don't start no s***, there won't be no s***! Don't start no s***, there won't be no s***! Don't start no s***, there won't be no s***! Don't start no s***, there won't be no s***! (it repeats like this, with assorted other lines whose only purpose are to put more 'swearing' in the song)" Not only were the lyrics awful, but you couldn't dance to it, and the rhythm was awful and headache-inducing. A totally useless song. Yet, everyone insisted on listening to it, probably just for the sake of listening to something their parents wouldn't like. I think it finally died off, though. However, some rap and hiphop is really good. Just not the stuff they play on Jammin. -------------------- The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) Famous Last Words - A local pop-punk band They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, August 10 2004 13:35
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Tu Pac is an exelent rapper, listen to "Changes" for example, my favorite rap/hiphop song of all time. -------------------- 33111-CRUSADER-4849 Posts: 662 | Registered: Friday, September 13 2002 07:00 |
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This Side Towards Enemy
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written Tuesday, August 10 2004 13:35
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Kelandon, the Streets aren't really representative of British rap. Mike Skinner is more or less just taking the piss. I find him fairly amusing but don't like his songs. More mainstream British rap and hip-hop is things like Dizzee Rascal and More Fire Crew. I can't claim to know very much about it, since the rhythm tends to make my head hurt (which is strange, because I'm sure the same rhythm covered with guitar fuzz wouldn't do that to me) but I do know that its mostly about London council estates rather than American slums, more concerned with grime than bling and that music journalists extolling its virtues always sound either really condescending or like complete pseuds. -------------------- Voice of Reasonable Morality Posts: 961 | Registered: Thursday, June 12 2003 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, August 10 2004 17:17
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No offense, but ADoS, I'd hate to ride your bus. Hey, I've got a suggestion, though. Just bring a portable CD player and listen to something else. Or better yet, just put the headphones on and don't listen to anything at all but pretend you are (yeah, I'm just being me again :( ). -------------------- -ben4808 For those who love to spam: CSM Forums RIFQ Posts: 3360 | Registered: Friday, June 25 2004 07:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Wednesday, August 11 2004 00:54
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quote:Well, I was talking for myself, obviously. Lyrics add a human dimension to any music, though, and make it less sterile. I find the human voice to be the most important instrument. Even songs sang in a language I don't understand are usually better than a piece of music without words. Bach is okay. His music is simple enough and easy to get a grasp of (kill me, you snobs). Plus, his harmonies are beautiful. On the overall, classical music is too hypocritical and wannabe sensitive. I get the feeling I don't understand what the composer wants to tell me. And no, I'm not one of those who think each one must find his own meaning in the music. That is like an insult to the composer. Well, not an insult. But something like that. -------------------- ahhahaha i rule u droool Posts: 756 | Registered: Monday, August 4 2003 07:00 |
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written Wednesday, August 11 2004 02:06
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Weed: Bach is simple? Also, do you think C.M is truly hypocrite? Why? What is it trying to convey and why is it being hypocritical about its message? Sensitive? Listen to Wagner, to name one example. -------------------- quote:Random Jack Vance Quote Manual Generator Apparatus (Cugel's Saga) Posts: 604 | Registered: Sunday, June 20 2004 07:00 |
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written Wednesday, August 11 2004 03:43
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quote:I do listen to my CD player. I can still hear the crap Jimmy plays over the CD player, though, so I have to turn the volume way up, and my ears are getting bad because of it. It sucks. On second thought, that song wasn't on the radio. It was on someone's CD. They can't play songs with that much swearing on the radio. Which I suppose is a good thing, in the case of that song, but otherwise is senseless censorship. -------------------- The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) Famous Last Words - A local pop-punk band They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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written Wednesday, August 11 2004 21:00
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quote:Bollocks, you like Pikku G. Admit it. -------------------- ahhahaha i rule u droool Posts: 756 | Registered: Monday, August 4 2003 07:00 |
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written Wednesday, August 11 2004 23:19
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No, I don't. I apologize for any wet dreams this thought might've caused to you, though. Admittedly, he has one good a song, the newest, "Kylki Kyljessä". Most of his beats are excellent, yeah, but they're made by *real* (^______________^) hip-hoppers. [ Wednesday, August 11, 2004 23:22: Message edited by: BigFatDonkey ] -------------------- The Great Mister kommari@gmail.com[/url] Posts: 417 | Registered: Sunday, June 27 2004 07:00 |
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written Thursday, August 12 2004 01:19
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Guys, shh. Don't give the boy any unnecessary publicity. -------------------- "Son--err," her father said, "I mean... Daughter, I give you your first and only sword. Use it for with skill for great villainy." Nanoisms Ooh! Homepage - Blog - Geneforge, +2, +3 - My Elfwood Gallery - WannabeCool Forums So many strange ones around. Don't you think? Posts: 1308 | Registered: Sunday, September 8 2002 07:00 |
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written Thursday, August 12 2004 05:43
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What, like this?  Ever wondered about TGM's unhealthy obsession with gays? Meet the...ehm...reason. :P -------------------- ahhahaha i rule u droool Posts: 756 | Registered: Monday, August 4 2003 07:00 |
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written Thursday, August 12 2004 06:41
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OMG PIKKUS HAWT -------------------- fame fame fatal fame it can play hideous tricks on the brain Posts: 407 | Registered: Friday, May 14 2004 07:00 |
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written Thursday, August 12 2004 08:29
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HE D DOGG MAN Y0!!1!!1! Also, I'd quite much enjoy if his second album flopped completely. No more "ja vaikka levy floppais, ja vaikka mua vihattais, niin jatkaisin riimeilyy, koska oon yksinkertasesti niin häijy, ja vaikka löisit mua naamaan, vetäisin settii perherakkaudesta vaan." ^_^ [ Thursday, August 12, 2004 08:31: Message edited by: the evil kobold man ] -------------------- The Great Mister kommari@gmail.com[/url] Posts: 417 | Registered: Sunday, June 27 2004 07:00 |
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