The trouble with democracy is every idiot gets a vote.
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written Tuesday, July 20 2004 20:47
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The Mao's spirit is not dead:you have to know that people respect Mao for what he have done.Before yelling and crying at this sentence, remember that before Mao, China was a feudal contry!Chinese people said about Mao:"70%good, 30%bad"...Of course, the cultural revolution is in the 30% bad.At the end of Mao's reign, he was sick, and three people choose the path for China:his wife, a concelor, and someone I've forget about; so the cultural revolution wasn't really Mao's stuff... Now, the chinese people want a powerfull country, but they aren't interested by the politic stuff, like vote! :) With the internet, the young people communicate with people of all the world, and are more open-minded:they speak about s*x (and Gods know it's taboo in China!), about democraty, and stuff.But they prefer speaking about computers RPG's games! :) Nah, really, they don't care about politic for one reason:a chinese don't think about himself, he think about his country!A big cultural difference, I think, due to the China's history:5000 years of war to make a unique country. Now, chinese people have freedom, but of course, it depends what you mean by freedom...For example, hospital in China are ****ing expensive, so, if you get a car accident, it's difficult to go at hospital, and you can die like that, in the street...But, I don't know how it works for the US, you're system is kinda difficult to understand (especially the vote stuff!). The place where I live, there is a lot of american people, 'cause I live in the south, and a lot of foreigners come here for opium and heroine...There is also a lot of travelers, but they're the same kind of guys.If you want to see "serious" foreigners, you have to go where there is buisness, hehe! -------------------- "Il est interdit de se battre sur le Champ du Massacre; dit-il avant de marquer une pause, le temps de reflechir a la logique de ses propos." Discworld, The Colour of Magic Posts: 178 | Registered: Monday, June 7 2004 07:00 |
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Blaspheme: Ideally, at least for me, if you got injured in an accident the government would pay for the bills. I think a government should protect its people, offering welfare and social security. This doesn't happen in too many places, though. Not surprised that you get a lot of foreigners looking for drugs. Here our problem with drugs is that Venezuela is a port of call for that. Actually, it would be better if I just said that we are the link between South America and the rest of the world. A lot of drug traffic comes through here, though we don't have drug plantations like our neighbor Colombia where they have a bigger problem. The net does indeed offer a good opportunity for the sharing of ideas, sometimes it's necessary to waddle through a lot of muck, but it's worth the while. -------------------- quote:Random Jack Vance Quote Manual Generator Apparatus (Cugel's Saga) Posts: 604 | Registered: Sunday, June 20 2004 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, July 20 2004 21:11
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Of course, I'm totally okay with you about the social security!The thing in China is where is tax, but just for the big enterprises and company(or for the big cities, like Shanghai, Hongkong, Macau, and Pekin).For example, if you're the owner of a small restaurant, you don't pay tax! You know, the chinese gouvernment doesn't have a lot of money, and the corrupted politician steal the small it have!I think the gouvernment WANT the social security, but just doesn't have the power to make it. The gouvernment fight against the drugs:if you get caught, it's death penalty!But the internatinal relation are actually too important for China, if we want to grow, so they don't do anything against the foreigners. :) I'm not doing publicity! :D -------------------- "Il est interdit de se battre sur le Champ du Massacre; dit-il avant de marquer une pause, le temps de reflechir a la logique de ses propos." Discworld, The Colour of Magic Posts: 178 | Registered: Monday, June 7 2004 07:00 |
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This has been one of the most interesting topics I've read in a long time. I almost feel guilty for not offering something more substantial to the topic, but I'd be doing Pandolfo and Blaspheme a disservice by not thanking them for the information. Thanks bundles! Is there any way this discussion can be preserved in some way? (And for reference, the English used by the both of you is only a tad awkward at points, but otherwise perfectly understandable. This is an incredible feat, as anyone who has spent time studying a foreign language can verify.) -------------------- 人 た ち を 燃 え る た め に 俺 は か れ ら に 火 を 上 げ る か ら 死 ん だ Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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Dear lord. What is the point of a socialist/communist system if the hospitals aren't free? That's a travesty. quote:Don't worry. We don't understand it, either (at least most of us). I have no idea what the structure of my local government is, but I'm supposed to vote for various offices in the coming election in, er, November I think. At least I know how the president is elected, which is better than some around here. EDIT: Uh, yeah, and I second what TM said. [ Tuesday, July 20, 2004 21:53: Message edited by: Just call me Kel ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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quote:Or not. :P Blaspheme, if you put a space after your punctuation marks, your text will be a lot easier to read. :) [ Tuesday, July 20, 2004 23:55: Message edited by: Arancaytar ] -------------------- The Encyclopaedia Ermariana <-- Now a Wiki! "Polaris leers down from the black vault, winking hideously like an insane watching eye which strives to convey some strange message, yet recalls nothing save that it once had a message to convey." --- HP Lovecraft. "I single Aran out due to his nasty temperament, and his superior intellect." --- SupaNik Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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@>->-- Pandolfo, Blaspheme, thank you for these impressive contributions. Pandolfo, is there an alternative to Chavez? -------------------- ^ö^ vegetarians are sexy. Posts: 1420 | Registered: Wednesday, October 2 2002 07:00 |
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I say let China grow and prosper even more. Thanks to their non stop construction the price of copper has raised considerably, thus making my country wealthier. However, I have a few questions about China if you don't mind me asking... How does that "population control" sistem work? Do you still have any hatred for what the Japanese did to the chinese during WW2? How does your culture and gov. see the rest of the world. Europe, Africa, North and specialy South America. I am curious as you will probably be the next superpower and it is good to know how you regard us. [ Thursday, July 22, 2004 10:44: Message edited by: Kel-Aziz ] -------------------- "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work, I want to achieve it through not dying." Posts: 30 | Registered: Thursday, July 22 2004 07:00 |
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For the population control : you can just have one kid ! This restriction doesn't applies to the nationnal minority peoples. But, in the campaigns, a lot of famillies have a lot more! If you want to have more than one kid, you have to pay: 10 000 yuans (+or- 850 US dollars) for the second kid, then 20 000 yuans for the third, etc... The japanese: of course, a lot of people HATE japanese! It's about the population massacre, the rapes, and, more important, the fact what the japanese gouvernment doesn't admit what they have done...You know, the german gouvernment beg for pardon, but the japanese just doesn't speak a word about it... Rest of the world: for a majority of people, it's just too far, so they don't care. The young people love the US, Japan, and South Korea: for them, it means a lot of money, a fun life, the fashion... People like Cuba, cause their television, and all the electronic stuff come from China! :) About the US, people just don't so care about it...In 95 (I think), the americans bomb (by error) a chinese ambassy: in Pekin, a lot of student go in the street to ask the gouvernment to make war!!!! With the recent wars, the chinese just think that your gouvernment is kinda scary! They're a little bit afraid of a war, but they believe in their country! About South America, we're just happy, cause we buy a lot of steel to build our country! There is an interesting fact: a lot of chinese immigrate to Canada, cause it's one of the only country who ask for more chinese! The chinese community is really big, and each year, it thousands and thousands of chinese who go to Canada, for study or for work. Nothing about Africa: we just don't care about...But there isn't a lot of black people in China, so, the chinese have kinda strange feeling about them. About Europe, it's just a good client! :D -------------------- "Il est interdit de se battre sur le Champ du Massacre; dit-il avant de marquer une pause, le temps de reflechir a la logique de ses propos." Discworld, The Colour of Magic Posts: 178 | Registered: Monday, June 7 2004 07:00 |
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I'm going to join in the general optimism for this thread. So far we have been able to share opions without going insane. Take a peek at the other political thread to see a few opinions that could have been expressed. . . better. spy.there: there are alternatives, but there are so many opportunists waiting for a chance that it looks more like a cesspool of mediocrity and fecal politicians than anything. A few stand out. I particularly like a governor, a former general manager our big oil company and a former head of our supreme court. They seem to be kind of capable people our country would need if we get rid of the current president. As it stands out, if there are elections, it has been promised that the Opposition will elect a single candidate to go against Chavez. If this happens, there is hope. If not, and in this country it is entirely possible that an indepent will go his own way even though he knows he will lose just to take votes away from the opposition, then. . . You see those who love Chavez do no change their minds. It is the other percetange that is at stake. Blaspheme: Thank you as usual for all your comments. This has been rather interesting. I disagree with quite a few of the policies of your government, but I am supremely happy to be able to hear them from someone who lives there. It seemed rather drastic the death penalty for drug use. It sickens me thaqt law works that way. Is there a reason for this? Is this the government's "strong hand" in order to purge the country of drugs? What do people think about it? As for drugs, is the problem similar in any way to that of the 19th century? I mean with the Opium coming from India the British (I suppose now it would be other foreign powers) being involved? As for the way tax works. Something all too similar happens in my country. People with money don't pay taxes. It used to be like that for years and years. Now the Venezuelan version of the IRS is after every penny they can get so that the government receives more money than they already got. Ah! And the money does not go to social endeavours of any kind. Drugs in my country exist and they do little to stop them. Sometimes they make a big deal about some cargo of cocaine that they have captured, but few and far between. For the most part, as I mentioned previously, we still work as the way-station between S.A and the rest of the world. I still can't get out of my amazement for the fact that, if I understood right, if I am caught in China smoking a joint I get killed? A bit of a more, if you will, superficial question: Jackie Chan? The man? -------------------- quote:Random Jack Vance Quote Manual Generator Apparatus (Cugel's Saga) Posts: 604 | Registered: Sunday, June 20 2004 07:00 |
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Nazgul! You're back!! Welcome aboard, and don't worry about re-registering. What's in a member number, or a post count? :D -------------------- The Encyclopaedia Ermariana <-- Now a Wiki! "Polaris leers down from the black vault, winking hideously like an insane watching eye which strives to convey some strange message, yet recalls nothing save that it once had a message to convey." --- HP Lovecraft. "I single Aran out due to his nasty temperament, and his superior intellect." --- SupaNik Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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quote:Don't mention the post count again. It is hard enough to start from 1. Damn, just look at that, I am Member # 4761, how unique do I feel. Urgh... quote:Mmm...so we are ok then? Good. I guess you see us as some sort of neutral supliers from afar. You should visit Southamerica more often, we like you'r food. Well, I do. :D quote:Over here we get the impression that the Chinese are itching(sp?) for an excuse to kick the ass of the Japanese. BTW, does you'r government have any expansionist ideas in mind? Do you know of any claim they have on other territories? Not that they need any but you know how humans are... Also, what Pandolfe asked, do you get shot for having a joint???? [ Friday, July 23, 2004 01:59: Message edited by: Kel-Aziz ] -------------------- "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work, I want to achieve it through not dying." Posts: 30 | Registered: Thursday, July 22 2004 07:00 |
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The main reason for the death penalty for drug use is what the country is way too big : don't want to be bothered by a such problem. Drugs are bad, m'kay? So, for all the dealers, it's death penalty. If it's just for use, it's forced work. the thing is the gouvernment don't want to help the drugs-users, just want to put them in jail... It's sad, of course, but it will cost a lot of money to help them : my province is called "the paradise of hard drugs", cause it's near Myanmar, Laos, and Thailand ; there is a lot of heroine, cocaine, and opium. On a country this big, you can try to stop the drugs buisness, but help the drug-users is the next step. The foreigners are the first clients, and, just after, the poorest farmer. Before, they were using the drugs like medication, and now, it's cultural... About marihuana, you don't have a lot of trouble if you get caught, just in fact, cause people don't know what it is. Something like six month ago, a policeman come to my house to check my girlfriend's paper : I was smoking a plot, so, I was afraid when I see the police coming. My masterpiece was on the ashtrash, half smoked : the policemen saw it, and haven't say anything ! :D They are more less flexible with opium, and hard drugs. In my province, the marihuana grows naturaly on the mountain, and we cook and eat the seed, use the plant to make clothes, etc... About the expansion, I think the chinese minds are different. Please, don't laugh, but really, we don't want more territory. First, cause we have a lot of place...Secound, we have great ressources : a lot of petroleum in the XinJiang province (the muslim one, on the west), in the sea, and stuff...Third, we just don't want more problems : we have some (ahah) with the Tibet, and the XinJiang, who both want to be independant. Now, (said the gouvernment), it's not time to do war, or to search for new ennemies : it's time to do buisness, to develop the country, to regain a name. You know, in chinese, China is ZhongGuo, who means " The country in the center ", the Middle-Earth, ahah! Just to say that we were before a great country, and we want to have a name : now, we are know like the country who violate the human rights, and who make the best false-Nike, false DVD, false-all-you-want in the world. We want to be know as a country who has something to say, about our history, our culture, our civilisation, our people. It's not just JetLi, and bad alchool! :) But yes, we're proud of our KongFu, and if you want to know what, see Kill Bill, the 2nd DVD : a great revenge against the japanese, ahah! :D Tarantino really know something about what the chinese think about the Japan and the katana! :D For now, the problem with Japan is the petroleum in the sea : they say it's their, we say it's ours...Plus, a lot of minor incidents... Ow, and something else : in China, it's people who HAVE money who pay taxes! It's too dificult to control the small restaurant, the small shops, and stuff...So, Wall*Mart and Carrefour pay taxes, but not the barbecue guy in my street! Fntagn Cthulhu! Not dead what forever sleep... -------------------- "Il est interdit de se battre sur le Champ du Massacre; dit-il avant de marquer une pause, le temps de reflechir a la logique de ses propos." Discworld, The Colour of Magic Posts: 178 | Registered: Monday, June 7 2004 07:00 |
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Blaspheme: your situation with Marihuana is similar to here, although here people kind of know what it is, but you still see some smoking it on the streets and the bars. I wonder is you have troubles with Russia? Or a good business. I would also be glad to see China being known for more than just all the pirated products. Do they sell them on the streets normally? Here people just don't buy original stuff. CD and DVDs, games all of them they buy pirated. And I don't mean on the underground, oh no! On the stores. They even put the chip on your PS or PS2, very cheaply, so you can buy more pirated products. We even have what we call, "Buhoneros" (street peddlers is the closest term I can think in English) These guys are the worst. We have a huge unemployment, about 18% or so. But those who work, a huge percentage, fluctuating in the 30 range, are Buhoneros. They put little shops on the streets, a table with the products. Fake pants from I know not where, clothes, all fake Designs. CDs by the bundle, DVDs like you wouldn't believe, games all over the place. Then, on the highways, since we have so much traffic all the time (Rush hour as a concept doesn't exist here) you will see men and women wlaking in between the cars with the products: DVDs of movies which came out THAT WEEKEND on the U.S, already there and ready for your consumption. Also books. They usually carry like 5 or 6 titles, what EVERYBODY reads (we are not, in any way shape or form a literature oriented country. Not. At. All) and those books are also pirated copies, usually printed in Comlombian presses. They are really cheap. If you think in Dollars. 10 thousand Bolivares (Bs.) which are about 3 or 5 bucks, depending if you think black market dollar or controlled dollar (our government has, for the last year and a half, controlled the exchange of dollars. You, basically can't buy it or Euros) Minimun wage here is about 2,500 Bs. So it means you need to work four hours MW to buy one of them. But those products are for the Middle Class, who make about 2 million Bs a month per household. (that is about 600 or so hundred to 1000 dollars for a Middle Class family) BTW, Blaspheme, what is the MW in China. How do slaries work in general? For something more serious: child prostitution? Problem over there? Here it is. It is not widely publiziced, but it exists. Anecdote: I was told some months ago that there was activity of that kind happening a couple of blocks from where I live. I couldn't believe. My county's mayor is supposed to be one of the "good" guys who is actually doing something right! Right. I decided to check. I went to the place and saw nothing. I went on another night, and, indeed, I was offered some services by a girl who couldn't have been older than eleven. I left, needless to say. It was sickening! Children are also seen in too many streets asking for money. Small children, 5 or 6 or less. Nowadays it is difficult to find many semaphores without at least a little kid asking for money. That's not counting the large amount of adults who do so too. A few months ago I stopped seeing this,. but before that moment, and for about a year or so, there was something very peculiar: A proliferation of women (all looking very Andine, from the Andes region of Venezuela), each of them with a little baby in their backs/arms, all asking for money. Then, from almost literally night to day, I saw no more. Blaspheme: You know Lovecraft too! Oh happy day. -------------------- quote:Random Jack Vance Quote Manual Generator Apparatus (Cugel's Saga) Posts: 604 | Registered: Sunday, June 20 2004 07:00 |
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Blaspheme: You're Chinese, but your name and post style are rather French: immigration? Diplomatic family, or what? Is there a lot of immigration to China, and what's the Chinese opinion on it? -------------------- The biggest, the baddest, and the fattest. Posts: 2367 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
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To the Cthulhu'a adept: Good relations with Russia! Not good as before, but still okay. A lot of russian live in the north of China, a lot of prostitute, also...Good relation between the university, a lot of exchanges. The thing is, now, the chinese students prefer to go in Europe, or US to study. About the kakes, it's the same: you buy them on the stores, in the street, etc...The DVD cost a half dollar, the audio CD a dollar. A book cost 2 dollars. The minimum salary is...30 dollars a month! But there isn't a lot of people who earn so less. Usually, you earn something like 100 dollars a month. There isn't any law about how much you earn: it depends on your capacity to bargain with your boss. There isn't child prostitution in China: the law are hard with that: death penalty for everybody who get caught! People who want that go in Thailand, China is way too much strict! Here, the kids only work with their parents, and only after school, who is obligatory to 16 years old. The gouvernement really check that, cause education is a priority to have a better country! :) And, yes, I'm a Lovecraft fan... :D To the Ultimate Weapon Custer (you have to explain me what it means custer...): Bien sur, I'm french! Check my signature, it's french. :) But what means "your post style is rather french"? I live in China since sometimes, now: I study chinese and chinese civilisation, and teach french. -------------------- "Il est interdit de se battre sur le Champ du Massacre; dit-il avant de marquer une pause, le temps de reflechir a la logique de ses propos." Discworld, The Colour of Magic Posts: 178 | Registered: Monday, June 7 2004 07:00 |
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Custer was a Union general in the Civil War. The name's an obscure injoke, but you're not missing much. :P And by 'rather French', I mean that the word order, a few spelling things, and a few word choice issues indicate French as a first language. I happen to study French myself, which is why I ask. As for how the US government works, in regards to an earlier statement: you have three branches of government. You have the judicial branch, which is the Supreme Court: they decide whether or not laws are constitutional, and the Supreme Court consists of nine (or is it seven? I forget) judges appointed for life. Whenever one dies or retires, another is appointed by the President. Then you have the legislative branch, who make laws. This is Congress: the House of Representatives gives each state a number of representatives proportionate to its population, and the Senate gives each state two representatives. Odd as it might seem to people raised in more strictly unitarian (big government without a lot of internal divisions) system, people tend to take 'the power of states' pretty seriously here, and there are some people who will think of themselves as Alabaman or Californian before thinking of themselves as American! Congress is usually controlled by either the Republicans or the Democrats, but there's not strict party loyalty -- sometimes individual Republican representatives will side with a Democratic bill, sometimes individual Democratic representatives will side with a Republican bill. I think you need a simple majority vote to turn most bills into laws. The President can veto this, and if he does, it takes 2/3 of Congress's vote to pass the law over his veto. Then there's the executive branch: the President. He's nominally in charge of executing the laws (thus the name), but his role in American affairs of late has become more of a spokesman: he proposes reforms, conducts foreign diplomacy, and generally serves as a symbol of the country. The President enjoys all manner of special priveleges, and when elected, serves a term of four years. He might be re-elected, or might not, but in any event he can't serve more than two terms. (Franklin D. Roosevelt served four, but that was before the two-term limit was made law in the late 1940s.) The President is elected by the electoral college, which works like this: each state has a number of delegates related to its population. Every four years, there is a Presidential election in the states. In most states, whoever wins the most votes carries all of the electoral votes of that state. Since there are many minor candidates, sometimes the President-elect doesn't even get a majority -- so in some cases, winning 31% of the state's votes is as good as winning 100%! Whoever gets the most electoral votes wins the election, and the current President continues to rule for another few months. The Electoral College system is considered old and buggy by quite a few Americans -- mostly because it's completely legal for a President to win with a minority vote, and it's happened some times before. But will we do anything about it? Probably not -- with regards to our government institutions, we're pretty resistant to rapid change. Hope that answers any questions. [ Saturday, July 24, 2004 11:50: Message edited by: Ultimate Weapon Custer ] -------------------- The biggest, the baddest, and the fattest. Posts: 2367 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
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As a sidenote, a presidential candidate must get a majority of electoral votes to win the election. If no one gets more than 50% of the electoral votes, then the vote goes to (I think) the House of Representatives, which has never happened before as far as I know. In the 2000 election (which was essentially a tie), people were discussing all sorts of strange possibilities for what might happen, because contingency plans for unusual situations had never really been designed in US presidential electoral law. The Supreme Court eventually decided that Bush had a majority of electoral votes, but it was a pretty close call. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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It actually did happen, once: Jefferson v. Burr, I forget what year. Jefferson won the vote in the House, and Burr thus became vice-President. One can only imagine how things would be today if Gore were VP and Bush were President... -------------------- The biggest, the baddest, and the fattest. Posts: 2367 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
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quote:The mods usually don't care if make double or triple post as long as they contain relevent information and are lengthy (like your's) Wouldn't a quadruple-post be some kind of a board record?. -------------------- "We can learn a lot from crayons. Some are short, some are dull, some are sharp, some are tall. Some have funny names and they are all different colors, but they all learn to live in the same box." "Happy is the man that has wisdom and gets discernment. For having wisdom as gain is better than having silver as gain and having wisdom as produce is better than gold itself" Proverbs 3:14-3:15 The horrible part about life is, you'll never get out of it alive. Currently boycotting: AngelFire, GameFAQ's Everybody should go to this site at least once. Posts: 818 | Registered: Tuesday, July 9 2002 07:00 |
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No. The record is at 11 posts afaik (I don't know the greek word for that). :P And I wonder where Alo hides all those bodies... he sure gets a lot of signature thefts. [ Sunday, July 25, 2004 09:05: Message edited by: Arancaytar ] -------------------- The Encyclopaedia Ermariana <-- Now a Wiki! "Polaris leers down from the black vault, winking hideously like an insane watching eye which strives to convey some strange message, yet recalls nothing save that it once had a message to convey." --- HP Lovecraft. "I single Aran out due to his nasty temperament, and his superior intellect." --- SupaNik Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Can we revoke Florida's voting rights if they screw up in this next election between Kerry and Bush? Can we? Please? Posts: 586 | Registered: Saturday, October 20 2001 07:00 |
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I was just going to suggest that we could the votes of black people... ...but that also works... -------------------- 人 た ち を 燃 え る た め に 俺 は か れ ら に 火 を 上 げ る か ら 死 ん だ Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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quote:I wonder... is there any precedent to that? -------------------- The Encyclopaedia Ermariana <-- Now a Wiki! "Polaris leers down from the black vault, winking hideously like an insane watching eye which strives to convey some strange message, yet recalls nothing save that it once had a message to convey." --- HP Lovecraft. "I single Aran out due to his nasty temperament, and his superior intellect." --- SupaNik Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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How do people feel about the two party system in the U.S? Evidently it has been your staple since the dawn of Democracy over there. But I was wondering if you were aware of groups of people (increasing or not) that would like to create a third party that could gain prominence. I'm think about such independents such as Perot who was able to achieve a certain degree of popularity. It seems to me that these days when the line that divides Republicans and Democrats seems to get fuzzier all the time (at least it seems so from outside the country) if there is a possibility of a third party growing strong as years go by. Salud! -------------------- quote:Random Jack Vance Quote Manual Generator Apparatus (Cugel's Saga) Posts: 604 | Registered: Sunday, June 20 2004 07:00 |