Exile Fan Games
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Apprentice
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written Sunday, May 2 2004 15:34
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Hello everyone. I am a hobbyist game programmer/angry koopa and I would like to know if you are allowed to make Exile fan games. In the license agreement it's said that Exile is a fully copyrighted product or something, and that no one may steal distribute without permission. But what I would like to know is if you can build your own game based on the Exile storyline. If you know, please tell me.  --------------------  Posts: 4 | Registered: Sunday, May 2 2004 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Sunday, May 2 2004 15:40
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No images in the sigs. You can ask Jeff for permission if you want, but I figure it will be all right, if you don't copy anything but the story. -------------------- For Ancelot the ancient cross of war for the holy town of gods Gloria, gloria perpetua in this dawn of victory The one and only StD! 33111-CRUSADER-4849 Posts: 662 | Registered: Friday, September 13 2002 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Sunday, May 2 2004 16:09
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You're allowed to if you use BoA/BoE... I'm not sure if you'd be able to write your own game from scratch though. In neither case would you be able to make money off of it, most likely. -------------------- who? Posts: 508 | Registered: Thursday, May 29 2003 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Sunday, May 2 2004 16:10
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Why not just register BoE or BoA, and do it from there? Edit: oops, posted at the same time. [ Sunday, May 02, 2004 16:12: Message edited by: Dancing Slith ] -------------------- "You know a book is good, when it makes you feel like crying or reaching into its fictional realm and strangling one of the characters." Posts: 1233 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Sunday, May 2 2004 16:43
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Jeff has taken a hard-line stance against fanfiction. I imagine his view towards fangames will be equally negative, if not more so. That doesn't mean you can't make your game, of course. It does mean that it will have to be non-commercial and not based on Exile in anything but storyline. Graphics, sounds, and engine are out of the question unless you pay the appropriate parties for the rights. ?Alorael, who would like to add his voice in favor of using BoE/BoA. There's no better medium for reaching the fans of Jeff's games, and you get to use his engine as well. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Sunday, May 2 2004 16:46
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I agree on the BoA/BoE thing too, many users are very happy because they have some hundreds of hours playtime in BoE, but I would say contribute to BoA! Be one of the pioneers! [ Sunday, May 02, 2004 16:46: Message edited by: Black Griffon aka. StD ] -------------------- For Ancelot the ancient cross of war for the holy town of gods Gloria, gloria perpetua in this dawn of victory The one and only StD! 33111-CRUSADER-4849 Posts: 662 | Registered: Friday, September 13 2002 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Sunday, May 2 2004 18:56
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quote:And yet he markets games like BoA and BoE which as he states are designed specifically to limit scenarios within his world of Avernum/Exile which would constitute as fanfiction with some scripting splashed in... Say what? ---Your confused maniac, Necris Omega [ Sunday, May 02, 2004 18:58: Message edited by: Necris Omega ] -------------------- Sanity is a relative concept. And like most my relatives, I rarely see it. "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." ~ Albert Einstein Posts: 168 | Registered: Saturday, October 26 2002 07:00 |
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Bob's Big Date
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written Sunday, May 2 2004 19:16
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I think it's easier to understand and more accurate this way: 1. Jeff Vogel and his extended family subside on a diet solely comprising infants not older than one and one half years of age. 2. Fan fictions obviously muddy some kind of copyright. 3. Copywriting is obviously somehow good for making money. 4. Babies sure cost a lot of money. 5. It follows that fan-fiction keeps babies off the Vogel table. -------------------- AnamaFreak (3:59:56 AM): Shounen-ai to the MAX Misogynism is the wave of the future, but it sure pisses the womenfolk off. Shocking, isn't it? Posts: 2367 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Sunday, May 2 2004 19:45
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I would think that it would almost be an insult to try and copy the world in a seperate game. A scenario would be different, though. -------------------- Scandalous Stories, fishing,and great photos Posts: 294 | Registered: Monday, November 24 2003 08:00 |
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...b10010b...
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written Sunday, May 2 2004 20:04
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quote:You'll note that in the BoE docs, Jeff specifically warns against scenarios that mess with established characters and locations. He seems to want a great deal of creative control over his world. -------------------- I believe there are 15 747 724 136 275 002 577 105 653 961 181 555 468 044 717 914 527 116 709 366 231 425 076 185 631 031 296 protons in the universe, and the same number of electrons. -- Sir Arthur Eddington Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Sunday, May 2 2004 20:35
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quote:What exactly did he say about it? Because I gather that Exile fanfic has existed for years, and people keep making it. quote:I remember reading this somewhere, but I can't find it now. It's making me nervous, because my scenario for BoA is significantly based off of a small subplot of A1, and while I don't really care on general principle if Jeff bans it -- if Alcritas could make the Za-Khazi Edit and TM can make Corporeus, then Spiderweb be damned -- I would like to enter it in the Scenario Contest. Do you know where he says this? -------------------- Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!! (The home of BoA's HLPM, newly updated to v1.1!) Rate my scenarios! Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue High Level Party Maker Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Sunday, May 2 2004 20:42
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I wouldn't take the warning too seriously. After all, Erika's Legacy was accepted onto the SW tables despite its flagrant disregard for Exile canon (reviving Erika as a crystal soul and turning Silvar into a tourist trap, among other things). -------------------- I believe there are 15 747 724 136 275 002 577 105 653 961 181 555 468 044 717 914 527 116 709 366 231 425 076 185 631 031 296 protons in the universe, and the same number of electrons. -- Sir Arthur Eddington Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Monday, May 3 2004 14:39
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I think what all of us are trying to say AngryKoopa, is that probably trying to create a game based on Jeff's creations wouldn't work. But then again, maybe you'd pull it off to make a couple of bucks. -------------------- Espresso hasn't been invented yet. That stinks. Xian Skull- Avernum 3 Posts: 1287 | Registered: Thursday, August 14 2003 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Monday, May 3 2004 15:31
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No, no, no. You have got what I am trying to say all wrong. #1) My game is going to be free. NO payment. #2) I am totally creating it from scratch - music, sounds, graphics, engine, and everything else except storyline. And I would like to use it because I feel that it's hard to come by such a good one as the Exile one. #3)It's not an RPG! See, all I want to do is make my own game based on the Exile plot, nothing more. -------------------- Posts: 4 | Registered: Sunday, May 2 2004 07:00 |
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Bob's Big Date
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written Monday, May 3 2004 15:50
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Then why bother with the Exile plot? It's only likely to get you tangled up in legalities, and it smacks of plagarism. -------------------- AnamaFreak (3:59:56 AM): Shounen-ai to the MAX Misogynism is the wave of the future, but it sure pisses the womenfolk off. Shocking, isn't it? Posts: 2367 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Monday, May 3 2004 16:42
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quote:Indeed, it would be a clear case of copyright infringement. Either talk directly to Jeff about it, or don't use his creative work. Simple as that. Posts: 70 | Registered: Monday, April 12 2004 07:00 |
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...b10010b...
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written Monday, May 3 2004 20:42
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I'd be inclined to agree. Evil-empire plots are a dime a dozen anyway, so since Jeff probably doesn't want you borrowing his, it shouldn't be too hard to think up your own. -------------------- I believe there are 15 747 724 136 275 002 577 105 653 961 181 555 468 044 717 914 527 116 709 366 231 425 076 185 631 031 296 protons in the universe, and the same number of electrons. -- Sir Arthur Eddington Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Monday, May 3 2004 20:57
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You could go to Jeff's sources and use them the same way that he did, though. I don't know what they are, but I think there are myths of underground kingdoms and various things from which Jeff "borrowed" to make Exile and Avernum. Then you could have a story relatively similar to Exile without worrying about any sort of copyright or anything. You could probably even "borrow" the lizard men and cat men, too, if you wanted. Someone more versed in mythology than I am could probably tell you where these stories come from. I only remember vague references in something I read once. Norse or something, I think. -------------------- Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!! (The home of BoA's HLPM, newly updated to v1.1!) Rate my scenarios! Northern Kingdom 0: Prologue High Level Party Maker Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Tuesday, May 4 2004 11:37
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quote:I'm not planning to sell it!!! Jeez, I'm not going to get a profit from it!! -------------------- Posts: 4 | Registered: Sunday, May 2 2004 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Tuesday, May 4 2004 12:01
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But Jeff is planning to sell it. If people could get an Exile-copy for free, they would not support Spiderweb anymore. And what's the point of copying a story? Why don't you just take something out of Odyssey or King Lear. There are hundreds of classical stories, suitable for games. -------------------- ^ö^ Vegetarians are sexy. Solar power is the wave of the future. Posts: 1420 | Registered: Wednesday, October 2 2002 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Tuesday, May 4 2004 12:23
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I'm not completely clear on copyright law, but I think using the Exile storyline would constitute violation of intellectual property rights, even if nothing else is similar to Exile. Jeff isn't likely to do much unless this thing is wildly popular. In fact, I personally would regard it as good publicity. But giving him notification is the friendly thing to do. ?Alorael, who would rather see an original story anyway. If you're really set on continuing Exile, then the piles of advice that have already been given are good. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Tuesday, May 4 2004 12:30
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Ask Jeff to go in with him make games and have him sell them you get a percent and bam. Look at this it gives you some info on the subject -------------------- Getapc -------------------- The Flaming Sword of not perfict grammer has now become The Flaming Sword of Pretty Good Grammar. -------------------- Warning pretty good grammar behind.▓ -------------------- A guy with not so perfict grammer has changed to A guy with pretty good grammar. -------------------- I shortened my signature more. Posts: 484 | Registered: Monday, May 27 2002 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Tuesday, May 4 2004 12:50
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quote:It's not an exact copy. It's not even an RPG! -------------------- Posts: 4 | Registered: Sunday, May 2 2004 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Friday, May 7 2004 18:34
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quote:Repeat after me: it doesn't matter. Go read up on basic copyright law. Here's a nice pretty link for you: http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html Posts: 70 | Registered: Monday, April 12 2004 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Friday, May 7 2004 18:39
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To quote: quote:There you go. Once again, talk directly to Jeff or forget about it. Posts: 70 | Registered: Monday, April 12 2004 07:00 |