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And how can we leave waste, that poisons the world over decades?
The same way that we can drive H2's now and pollute the bejeezus out of everything for no reason. My state, California, recently repealed a tax on excessively polluting cars, and then it cut schools' budgets again. I don't know how the comparisons go, but our current fossil fuel power is going to leave waste that poisons the world for a considerable amount of time, too.

I tend to agree with AM, though. One of the major reasons that we don't like to use recycled materials or alternative energy sources is that they are more expensive. At the current rate of oil price increase, though, it shouldn't be long before alternative energy starts looking more attractive.

[ Monday, May 10, 2004 10:49: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Originally written by Kelandon:

My state, California, recently repealed a tax on excessively polluting cars
And I always thought, Schwarzenegger would care more about environment. Still he grew up in the mountains ...

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You don't need to guard a waste dump if there is no waste to guard. Redistribute the waste back where you got it. If you get a good ratio of radioactive matter and dirt spread out over a few hundred miles you won't even notice the difference.

And nasty people will always get a way to cause destruction. I could make explosives out of common household products and gasoline. They can too. Ya just gotta do your best to stop them. I mean, we need a better form of power and a few maniacs shouldn't prevent mankind from advancing.

Also, A police state is inevitable. Nothing can stop it now.

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Originally written by spy.there:

Nuclear power is certainly the wrong way. As you name it, nuclear plants would be a great goal for terrorist attacs. And how can we leave waste, that poisons the world over decades? How can we leave such a mess to our children? We should go for harmless energies like solar, water or wind power.
Did you not hear a word I said? Solar is impractical on a global scale, and the other are completely local. Being a socialist, I'm all in favor of cheap power; commodifying products is a Bad Thing, even if it's for a supposedly Good Reason.
Besides which, nuclear waste is a bad target. It's usually in isolated areas, has so many layers of detection and warning that any threat would basically be an annoyance in human terms, and is not a cost-efficient way to make a bomb. It'd be much cheaper in terms of effort and hush money to make a dirty bomb out of uranium dust, and you Can't, capital-C Can't, make a nuclear bomb out of nuclear waste without a specialized breeder reactor.
And unless you just so happen to be either the US or the Soviet Union, you don't have a breeder reactor on your hands, so...

As for polluting, we, as human beings, are going to do a hose job on the environment. We have done it, on a small, local scale, since the Egyptians, and we will continue doing it forever. Nuclear power is far more environmentally friendly than the only other realistic alternatives; coal and petroleum, and even natural gas, do much greater harm to our environment.
And all that money into solar panels will barely make them cost-efficient. With that kind of research into nuke power, we will see self-sustained and possibly even cool fusion by our twilight years, and there is absolutely no cleaner way to get power than fusion, unless you're going to get a bunch of brontosauri on treadmills or something.

But as it looks now, nuclear plants will be inevitable. Except, the Americans would suddenly start to save current and turn off their air conditions. But who cares about nature, when the personal comfort is threatend?

Conservation is a luxury, environmentalism is a luxury, and for the most part, recycling is a luxury. You can't afford to bother buying local and natural when you're on near minimum wage, you can't afford to waste time putzing around with a garden and tin cans when you're on near minimum wage, and you certainly aren't going to come home in the summer heat and sit around the house without any AC.
Also, there's the simple law of large numbers: it is as likely for one man to have an IQ of 200 as it is for 100 men to have an IQ of 105. Similarly, ad campaigns aimed at MASS MOVEMENTS are INTENSELY difficult, and mostly depend on a generation very progressive in a certain way.
That kind of energy would be better devoted to building a better system of intraspecies relations, not interspecies and man-environment relationship. When we have a globalist social democracy in place, the environmental issue will become small potatoes, and won't take more than a few years to fix efficiently and humanely.
As is, we can struggle as much as we like to get our house in order; the third world is still going to spew pollution like mad and go home and turn on their AC and bask in momentary cool, and I don't care if we do find a way to power cars on water, but we'll still have their issues to worry about.

You could raise the matter to your politicians. Vox populi is never better heard than before elections. Catch that guys on their tours and ask them about environmental future.

Unfortunately, I still don't see the environment as a first issue, and a LOT of green issues are a knee-jerk.
One good example you might have heard of that really applies to me: Yucca Mountain. It's supposed to be a nuclear dump, a national storage area a while out in the Nevada desert. Within a hundred miles of my home.
I'm very happy with the plan to put waste there; I think that, without a national waste dump, nuclear power will remain essentially small-scale. Nuclear power remaining small-scale will ruin us when oil starts to run short; our only remaining options are coal and nuclear, period. Solar will not be feasible on a national level for generations.
As much as I'm afraid of nuclear waste -- hey, we all are! -- I'm much, much more concerned with winding up with the black lung.
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EDIT: AM raises an interesting point on air conditioning. I live in an area where temperatures start topping 40 degrees Celsius in the early spring; I think without a lot of AC and fan use, we'd all be pretty dead.

[ Monday, May 10, 2004 19:51: Message edited by: Custer's Revenge ]

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Hydroelectric power is not harmless. It (in conjunction with logging) has decimated the Pacific salmon. It kills fish, plain and simple.

Nuclear is the safest and cleanest method of power we have. Especially when you factor in the IFR and other near-zero-waste reactor designs.

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Besides which, nuclear waste is a bad target. It's usually in isolated areas, has so many layers of detection and warning that any threat would basically be an annoyance in human terms, and is not a cost-efficient way to make a bomb. It'd be much cheaper in terms of effort and hush money to make a dirty bomb out of uranium dust, and you Can't, capital-C Can't, make a nuclear bomb out of nuclear waste without a specialized breeder reactor.
I think the problem is with the plant itself. Nuclear power plants lose enriched uranium more often than you'd expect -- which is probably accounting error, but the fact that their accounting's that poor is a concern in itself.

[ Monday, May 10, 2004 20:21: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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Plant-grade plutonium is still piss-poor for weapons; processed uranium ore is better for dirty bombs (better dispersion area, more mass) and good luck getting weapons-grade.

[ Tuesday, May 11, 2004 08:10: Message edited by: Custer's Revenge ]

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Nuclear materials are generally very well secured and, perhaps more importantly, very difficult to work with. It's far easier and way cheaper (and therefore, much more likely) for terrorists to build a fertilizer-based truck bomb, with which they still get a dramatic explosive effect that could rival anything they'd accomplish by less conventional means.

I personally think that far too much time and effort have been spent on the bigger, unlikely WMD problems, and not enough on the basics, like better immigration technology and port security.
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Or the simple matter of not pissing everyone outside of our borders off constantly. :P

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Unfortunatly, thats less likely to happen than world peace. On every level of every society someone pisses someone else off. It'll never stop.

By the way, world peace WILL happen. :confused: :eek: :eek: :confused: :eek: :confused:

But when it does watch out.

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Don't deleate this topic, please :)

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It was never going to be. Only topics on page 6 or later will be purged.

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I'd be tender, I'd be gentle
And awful sentimental
Regarding love and art
I'd be friends with the sparrows
And the boy who shoots the arrows,
If I only had a heart.
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Actually it's not after page 5, it's anything 45 days or more old now.

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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To get us back on subject, its not the actual damage of a nuclear type attack that frightens the american publec, its the unknown. You see, with a truck bob, you get a bang, things flying around, bloody bodies, and collapsed buildings. If someone dropped a diry bomb, You "could" get raidiation damage. maby have mutant kids. Its the idea that we will still be alive and be being damaged and NEVER know it that frightens the american public so.

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Bleh, feh, meh. If it happens it happens. Nothing I or any other individual could do about it. If death occurs because of it then it does. If not live with the consequences. It could always be worse.

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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Cyberwolf, it doesn't need a bomb to get radiaton damage. The plant's everyday routine operation releases already enough radiation to harm the environment.
FBM, what means "Bleh, feh, meh"? You use it often and I am overcharged because English is not my native language :P

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I'd be more impressed by that site if it cited its sources for its claims, and if large amounts of the "science" weren't sloppy, deceptive or both.

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And awful sentimental
Regarding love and art
I'd be friends with the sparrows
And the boy who shoots the arrows,
If I only had a heart.
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If the damage was that bad, we would have already banned nuclear plants. Pesticides and fertilizer have caused more damage than the radiation.

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Spy.there, my phrase "bleh, feh, meh" is merely three words as a triunity. Bleh to signify pointlessness, feh to signify stupidity, meh to signify blamelessness or lare of care. In triunity, I use it to signify my apathy to something. Nothing less, occaisionally more.

Vis. I am apathetic towards the prospect of a nuclear explosion and the radiation consequnces. I am unlikely to have the chance of altering the event or the after-effects, so why worry? It's an unlikely event anyway.

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I like to say quack because I can, I like to say moooo because I can, but I don't like saying ergle flmp because I can never pronounce phenomenon first try.

In conclusion, quack, moooo and phenonemenonmenonnon... Oh Poo.

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