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Originally written by FatBatMonkey:

Since I was her first I bagsy the "taking the right-royal" rights:

UA: WHOAH! Down with the pent up rage. Yeah Alec is the ole Custer. However for someone who claims to never be manipulated you fell into that one TOO easily. I'm afraid not. It's merely you, trying to play with my mind. I replied to Alec of my own free will, and was not forefully manipulated to do anything. You were manipulated into rising to his challenge. And before you even THINK about technicallities, DON'T. I wrote the rulebook I think not. You've evidently never seen one of my tiring legal agreements. They deal with technicalities down to the bone. and then burned it, when it comes to technicallities and picking holes in arguements.

Not being nice to people just because they exist is not only fascism but is also idiocy, hypocrasy and being plain bloomin'-minded. I'm afraid not. It's because if I do talk to people, there's a chance they'll make fun of me, or similar. Making someone do something just because you don't want to is also NOT manipulation. They just see that you're a difficult brat and don't bother. I'd like to inform you that when I order my parents to get water, they do.

Also if you were MORE annoying THEN, then whooooh. Yasuaih! Like spurting out that you're a pain to everyone you know isn't? You seem a little over excited. Calm down with the vocal noises.

Your opinions, proverbially speaking, BITE. That's not being human, that's being an insane despot. I know I'm insane. I don't care. And you are controlled. Always. You live in a house, you are controlled by the owner. The owner is my dad. He is not in control of me, because he cannot control me to the atom. Can he make me die within 2 seconds by telling me to? No. So he is not in absolute control. And, in my opinion, there is only no control and absolute control, and if you don't have absolute control, you have no control. You use money, you are controlled by the government. You do ANYTHING, from walking down the street to having a Coke, and someone is in control of you. If your parents wanted they could take you to a psych and they could give you drugs whether you like it or not. And? They can do all sorts of things like that, but they do not obtain total control of me as a result. And if you have an unfair advantage in life that you use too uch, you deserve what you get: knives in the back. and if I had a decent amount of unfair advantage, that wouldn't be able to happen to me. Fair advantages are all well and good and no fun but what your suggesting will both, never happen and if it did, will earn you a good deal of enemies. So? I assume even you need sleep? Unfourtunately.

You refuse to do anything without a good reason? What about these boards then? Boredom. What's the good reason for these? Boredom. To not be like everyone else, well you've kind of missed out some fundamentals there - you breathe, eat, sleep, walk all of that sort - you also look like a human which is just like everyone else, That is unavoidable right now. That doesn't mean I can't be as different as possible. and you think you're the FIRST person to take I never stated that. You have merely made an assumption and thus this section of your argument is nullifed. that exact attitude? Heck no! At least add a LITTLE originallity. You ought to calm down.

Me? I like being me. Flexible hours, good pay. Most of all I, like nearly ever person I know, don't like people who are too similar to myself. But with me, I've never found ANYONE who is remotely like me. It's fun. And I've never met anyone who says "Goodbye" when I say Hello to them.

Not talking to people? That is just plain biggotry. It'll be the same old case: gets pushed around by a couple of older kids, so shuts EVERYONE out - even the ones trying to befriend him. Classic. I'm afraid not. It's more that I classify everyone as an idiot, because they a. try to talk to me for no good reason. b. on the internet, they fail to use proper English and Grammar and instead use text talk (resulting in a block).

Refusing to shower daily? HAHAHA! COME ON! That's a big stand against authority? That's just poor hygiene. Nothing more. It's more that I classify everyone who showers more often than once a week a hygiene freak.

Refusing to conform? Impossible. You wear clothes do you not? If someone fires a gun at you, you run away? (yes, you would so don't)Whoever said death is bad? You believe the Earth is round? They're all examples of conforming to the social norm. I have stated this before and I state it again. Some things are unavoidable.

Lighten up! Don't be a big ole loner who dies lonely. Get out there, get a life, some friends. NO. I would rather die without friends than take a chance of being made fun of. I don't need friends that use text talk. Trust me, despite whatever you put some people through, they'll still welcome you with open arms. I know. I can do whatever I like and people still welcome me. HAAHAHHAA. You, most likely, won't live past the average (like the rest of us "plebs") and after you are gone, there will be only one thing that matters - how you are remembered. By the time I die I will have classed everyone in the world as an idiot, and as a result, nobodies's opinion will matter to me. You could be remembered for being nice, creating world peace, inventing something or just being a nice family person. Equally you could be an evil tyrant (the path that you currently follow) I like the sound of that. and people will spit on your grave, Those people are childish. burn your image, and generaly badmouth you. You could also be unremarkable and forgotten. And I could classify everyone in the world as an idiot because I am unable to have total control of the world, and be glad to die because I don't need to reside in some stupid place where I can't play god.

You can't do anything after your gone so do something now before it's too late.

Oh yeah! Rantilicious! Yeah!
Bleh, meh, feh.

N/O mate. Life is what you make it.

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Originally written by Unseen Avocado:

Alec: True. But it is impossible to control to the atomic level. That is, I am doubtful that there is a drug out there that would make my skin turn green and blue within 60 seconds. And, as I mention above, there is either Total Control (in my definition, the ability to change the universe or anything in it instantaneously), or No Control at all. All or nothing - anything in between is pathetic. As a result, I do not consider drugs to be able to control be to the atomic level, and thus they do not control me to any extent that would be considered Total Control, as by me.

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Originally written by Unseen Avocado:

You all seem to forget that since it's me so obsessed with not being manipulated, your definitions of control, manipulation, etc, etc. do not matter.
Yes they do; when twenty people are unified of opinion on something against someone else, the twenty are often right.

This always happens when I release the views I have, above. I have a finely balanced definition of control and manipulation and I don't need everyone in this topic trying to guess exactly what balance it is.
A definition you refuse to release or even qualify in discussions is not a definition you can expect to be used.

If something someone does does not fall under my category of 'manipulation', and it does you, I don't need you running after me to try and correct me. A lot of people will know that people like me cannot be argued with because they will never give in and admit they are wrong. Thus, your attempts to convince me that my view of manipulation will not work.
Fine, then; I can only assure you that your particular brand of idiocy will get you nowhere with anyone, and I can exercise a far greater degree of control than you'd ever be able to imagine having without being a jackass, neglecting my hygiene, or having a manic phobia of anything anyone else does.

Control that is not unlimited is irrelevant, but I will use it whenever possible as it is preferable over no control.
No it isn't -- you said yourself that there is no difference between limited control and no control. Make up your mind.

Manipulation that is not significant to me (i.e. replying to a post) is irrelevant and I am not bothered by it. I have no desire to screw my brain up by thinking about such things.
Yeah, but any manipulation is the same as complete manipulation when it's happening to you, as you don't have total control.

I am, quite simply, all or nothing to the above, and I find it highly unlikely you can change me over the Internet.
You contradicted yourself again. Perhaps it would do you best to contemplate your personal beliefs further before you do something astoundingly stupid and wind up in an institution.

Oh, and I never started talking about subatomic. Only atomic. Nor did I start shouting. It would help matters if you didn't exaggerate unneccesarily.
Atomic control is as physically impossible as subatomic control. Not even God can know where an atom is and where it's going exactly, and molecules are far more shifty than anything we'll ever be able to tool around with. Even cellular control is flatly impossible due to scalar limits; tissue control is impossible without decades of technology that does not yet exist, organic control is a mixed bag -- and mixed bags, by your definitions, are as good as empty ones -- and the next level is organismic. Physical organismic control is only possible with organisms with no or very small nervous cystems, so you can rule that out. Mental organismic control is, quite frankly, not something most people are capable of, especially not one as incoherent and plainly incapable of holding consistent thoughts as yourself.
So there you go. Unless your parents happen to be the emperor and the empress of the world, you can throw any degree of 'control' right the hell out the window.

Alec, frankly: I dont' care. If you threaten to destroy my beliefs using logic, I stop respecting your opinion and thus stop listening to it. It is useless to argue with insane people, because they can never admit they are wrong.
'Theaten to destroy your beliefs using logic'? That's absurd. You can't destroy an abstract construct.
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FatBoyMonkey: I don't bother to wash my hands after using the bathroom. Ever.[/qb]
That's lovely. You are aware that that sort of behavior is liable to get you killed at a young age, right? Screwing around with e.coli and company is an exceptionally poor idea.

"Who WOULD want control over you anyway?" I can be as paranoid as I like for any reason, including none.
Don't expect anyone to take you seriously with that sort of attitude, much less seriously enough to allow any kind of 'control'.
"So EVERYONE'S an idiot now? Well... yeah. Every single person alive I would actually have to class as an idiot. In your case the problem is that you forget that you are a person alive and are also an idiot. [continued]"
I have all sorts of idiotic points about me. I don't deny it. Like being an insane, anti-social retard.
Admitting a problem exists and allowing it to continue is the sort of behavior people get institutionalized for. Just to let you know.

Listen to this; I don't like reality because I feel insecure because I have no power. As a result, I detach myself from the real world as much as possible. I find the Internet presents an excellent way to detach myself from the world.
Perhaps you could reconcile yourself to the fact that next to no one has any power, and people would like you a lot more if you bathed regularly, treated them civilly, and stopped ranting about total control of things.

"You really are a spiteful, evil person. Are you aware of this?"
Yes. Depending on my mood, my insanity level adjusts accordingly.
That's a stupid answer to a stupid question, so I suppose it's fair enough.

"And still no-one would give a damn!"
And I dont' give a damn to you, either.
Doesn't brook an answer.

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