Iraqi aftermath
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Lifecrafter
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written Monday, July 28 2003 13:02
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not really, but anyway... I won't pretend to read any of this, just give my own self-important opinion: The US should have made a big impression at the end of the war. Yes reconstruction takes years, and it will, but in this age of instant news (just add opinion) they should have ended the war with a flash. The whole war was 'shock and awe' so the peace should have been just as much, or preferably more, shock and awe. Oh, the US will have to be there a long, long time. -------------------- Tip of the Day: #13 Stand clear the closing door. That's treason. (THNIK)(Peculiar James, FP productions co, inc) Posts: 816 | Registered: Friday, October 5 2001 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Monday, July 28 2003 13:20
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Morgan, that's where you are wrong. Iraqis had enough food for three months. They even had access to water; mind you not very clean water - then again their water hasn't been that clean since the 80's. No one in Iraq has died of starvation during, or after the war. -------------------- Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Posts: 19 | Registered: Monday, July 21 2003 07:00 |
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Bob's Big Date
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written Monday, July 28 2003 14:37
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Right, because once Hussein took over the country the water was all tainted by God's wrath. How did they get three months' worth of food to supply the country beforehand? The press went on and on about Hussein starving his people before the war, and wars always disrupt civilian supply. Always. It's only worse in a country like Iraq, where it's a problem to begin with, and only a few bombs can take areas the size of small US states out of the supply network. -------------------- In a word, gay. --Bob the Impaler Posts: 2367 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Monday, July 28 2003 17:19
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Did I say that? It was more the undoing of the Iran-Iraq war of the 80's. You do realzie that 8 YEARS of war tends to have much longer lasting effects than a 1 month war? i sure hope so. Why did they have food supply? Because each family was given about 3 months food supply in preparation of the war by the Iraqi gov't. This was made a big deal of by Saddam pre war as an 'example' of how much he 'loved' the Iraqi people. In fact, if most families were starving; it was because many of them trading their food for other items. Why do you think there wasn't a major epidemic there? Because of that. It is mainly getting clean water, electricty, and harnassing the security situation that is most important. Food is not a problem in Iraq, whetehr you like it or not. This is from the various Humanitarian Agencies in Iraq. War disrupts food supply; however the people had supples for 3 months, the war lasted a month. Do the math. -------------------- Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Posts: 19 | Registered: Monday, July 21 2003 07:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Wednesday, July 30 2003 13:42
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which would have been a 2 day food supply in america. -------------------- Tip of the Day: #13 Stand clear the closing door. That's treason. (THNIK)(Peculiar James, FP productions co, inc) Posts: 816 | Registered: Friday, October 5 2001 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Wednesday, July 30 2003 18:26
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LOL, Or Kanada which I believe is actually more wasteful per capita than the US is. Sometimes, we evil westerners don't know how well we got it. -------------------- Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Posts: 19 | Registered: Monday, July 21 2003 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Thursday, July 31 2003 10:18
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Message to Volourn: Where in the world is Kanada? :confused: Posts: 47 | Registered: Saturday, November 2 2002 08:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Thursday, July 31 2003 10:50
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Perhaps he was trying to say Canada without offending anyone. I think I know what the end of US dominance may be (but probably not). The non-Immigrant (or is it Emmigrant, I can never remember) populating of the US is decreasing. That doesnt really mean much now, but wait 2 centuries or so. -------------------- Tip of the Day: #13 Stand clear the closing door. That's treason. (THNIK)(Peculiar James, FP productions co, inc) Posts: 816 | Registered: Friday, October 5 2001 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Thursday, July 31 2003 11:01
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If the US still exists in two centuries. With Bush in charge now, that is not a 100% certain. :P [/Bush-Flaming] Anyway, let's get back on topic. -------------------- "And all should cry, Beware, Beware! His Flashing eyes, his Floating hair!" S. T. Coleridge --- "It is as if everyone had lost their sense Consigned themselves to downfall and decadence And a wisp it is they have chosen as their beacon." Reinhard Mey. --- Quote of the Week: "I have a high opinion of myself, which makes up for my total lack of intelligence." Anon. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Thursday, July 31 2003 15:36
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Someone who live sin the same province as I do; doesn't know where Kanada is? Odd.. Anyways, seriously, I just like to use k's in my countries' names. ie. Kanada, Amerika, Kuba, etc., etc. Not intended as offense, or confusion; just for my own personal and weird fun. -------------------- Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Posts: 19 | Registered: Monday, July 21 2003 07:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Thursday, July 31 2003 16:56
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You do know that is the way Nazis spell? -------------------- I am not really here. Posts: 956 | Registered: Wednesday, January 16 2002 08:00 |
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Bob's Big Date
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written Thursday, July 31 2003 17:50
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And as we all know, Voulorn is Kaiser Wilhelm II. As for American nonimmigrant population decreasing, it's always been so. The area now comprising the United States, Canada, and Mexico had a combined population of somewhere around 150-200 million before the first immigrants arrived -- or about the same as that of contemporary China. And we all know what came of that, eh? -------------------- In a word, gay. --Bob the Impaler Posts: 2367 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Thursday, July 31 2003 19:05
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I'm questioning the logic employed here. The decline in the non-immigrant population is what brought about the US' dominance in the first place; the Iroquois weren't about to get into trench warfare. It only takes one generation to lose your immigrant status, and the INS still has a pretty strong grip on how many of who gets in the country (mexican waders and wilderness hikers exempted). Also, immigrants make great cannon fodder. As for the subject at hand, how about big brother Poindexter and his insane 'terrorism futures market'? Even though he'll be made to resign, this just sheds further light on the flabbergasting cynicism within the adminstration. -------------------- ... Posts: 647 | Registered: Wednesday, February 19 2003 08:00 |
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written Thursday, July 31 2003 19:41
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quote:Corollary to Godwin's Law: Intentionally attempting to invoke Godwin's Law is doomed to failure. Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Thursday, July 31 2003 19:47
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OMG! I spell like the Nazis! Woopity do dah. I also poo like Ba'ath party members - doesn't mean I'm one of them either. And, no, I didn't know that; not that it's relevant. -------------------- Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Posts: 19 | Registered: Monday, July 21 2003 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Friday, August 1 2003 02:46
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A few points: Water is more of an issue in Iraq than food, not least because all the pumping stations were classified as 'military' targets by the US, contrary to the UN Convention, during both Gulf wars. On declining non-immigrant demographics, I'd have thought immigrants outnumber the original north American populatioon 250:1 or more. Sorry, you meant White Americans, not native Americans, didn't you? 'Amerika' was spelt that way way before the Nazis, not least by one Franz Kafka, and is usually taken as slightly critical or indicative of alienation because of the disillusioned way he described immigrant experience in his novel of the same title. There's also 'Amerikkka', a more 1960s counter-culture version, pointing to the US's racist / imperialist heritage, but most don't use this as its excessively crass. Posts: 2333 | Registered: Monday, January 7 2002 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Friday, August 1 2003 22:37
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quote:Hey, I know that if I had an army that I wanted to win a war with, I'd garrison them in a pumping station. After all, can't you just picture the Americans walking through the water station district, thinking Baghdad pacified with nothing to take but the spoil. When, suddenly... Besides, if there's one thing this experience should have taught us all, even the most pro-war folks (who would probably call it a good thing), it's that the American government doesn't exactly listen to the UN that attentively when it comes to military matters. Posts: 236 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Monday, August 4 2003 09:18
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Totally completely off topic, but I finally figured out the Metamorphasis by Kafka, I think, and no, I would not care to enlighten you, read it yourself. -------------------- Tip of the Day: #13 Stand clear the closing door. That's treason. (THNIK)(Peculiar James, FP productions co, inc) Posts: 816 | Registered: Friday, October 5 2001 07:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Monday, August 4 2003 23:38
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Yeeesss....that was an very long topic indeed... Actually I didn´t even bother to read through it but since the subject is so concerning I just have to tell you all my opinion (like someone would actually care). I think the US did the right thing in liberating (liberation : has any word been so mistreated in the history of humanity?) Iraq, but for the wrong reasons (oil). Saddam was not a good ruler and the people of Iraq will probably be far better now that he is gone. I said probably, since everything wasn´t worse during Saddams regime. The females position was, for example, much better and Afganistan remains an frightening reminder of how a country can totally collapse when it´s leaders are "changed". Before the war Afganistan was an peaceful country ruled by the talebans who followed the laws. Today rapes and thefts take place every night and the people live in fear (and poverty, since almost no jobs remains.) Now it´s all up to the US. If they can handle the situation and make Iraq better than it was befor the war, then maybe the rest of the world can forgive them. And here´s a tip to Bush if he would come by (unlikely, I admit that) : keep your hands of the oil. It belongs to the Iraq people and shuold be used to nothing but rebuilding Iraq. Finally, I want to excuse my bad english. Posts: 756 | Registered: Monday, August 4 2003 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Tuesday, August 5 2003 04:03
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On the "females" question, aren't you confusing Iraq with Afghanistan? As a self-styled secular socialist state, Iraq wasn't particular about oppressing women, particularly compared ito its neighbours (e.g. Saudi Arabia). If you'd read prevuious posts more closely, you'd also appreciate that Ba'athists are still running Iraq, albeit not calling themselves that so as to save the US occupiers' face. 'Everything changes, everything remains the same'. Posts: 2333 | Registered: Monday, January 7 2002 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Friday, August 8 2003 19:18
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a couple things to say when someguy talked about how kanada was the nazi way of spelling it... all germans (and a bunch of other europeans i believe) spell it that way. you shouldnt generalize an entire race! and i thought you were a god-fearing lefty :P poor flamed volourn. I wanted to point out how when the american soldiers fired into a demonstrating croud, people bought their reasons for doing it, ex they were afraid for their lives. This is fine. But when the whole justification for war is these types of things being done by Saddam things are a little out of hand. Have we heard news articles about how the baathists were justified? That would be out of the question. (btw im not justifying the baathists at all, but if we are condemning without hearing some of the reasons.. we should also do that to the americans) this was written fairly late so i apologize for any confusion. w00t l33t Kanadians Posts: 43 | Registered: Wednesday, October 16 2002 07:00 |