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Law Bringer
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written Tuesday, July 22 2003 12:56
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The Normans were from Normandy in France. I don't think they were in any way related to the Vikings. However, as Bob said, they may have been involved in the invasion. —Alorael, who agrees that the Vikings' non-raiding culture has been all but forgotten in favor of their warlike forays into every corner of the world that they could find. They did have more life than coastal raiding, although that was the most documented by other groups. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire!
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written Tuesday, July 22 2003 16:51
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Well, of course they had home bases... the only reason they went out in the first place was they needed more land and the people there were weaker, so they took their possessions too, and it bacame a kind of legacy. They certainly didn't start off brutal. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon TEH CONSPIRACY IZ ALL Les forum de la chance. Incaseofemergency,breakglass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Tuesday, July 22 2003 17:22
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Their raids are well documented since the Norse were particularly found of raiding coastal monastaries and monks tend to keep good notes. -------------------- Let the soul trading begin. Posts: 431 | Registered: Monday, December 31 2001 08:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Tuesday, July 22 2003 19:23
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That and Iceland kept good documents. And the inbreeding of the Icelanders due to their being cutoff helped too. Anyone know when they reestablished contact with Europe? -------------------- I am not really here. Posts: 956 | Registered: Wednesday, January 16 2002 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, July 23 2003 06:06
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1163. They were never really cut off, they were ignored. -------------------- ... Posts: 647 | Registered: Wednesday, February 19 2003 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Wednesday, July 23 2003 13:58
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Alorael - the Normans may have ended up in Normandy (hence the name) but they came from somewhere else first. They weren't called 'North men' (hence the name) for nothing. I know the Icelanders converted to Christianity in 1000 (an early date to remember!) so they weren't that isolated. The large number of Irish thralls amongst them also demonstrate they used their longboats to get about a bit.... Posts: 2333 | Registered: Monday, January 7 2002 08:00 |
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Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire!
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written Wednesday, July 23 2003 14:22
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They weren't called North Men for nothing, but remember, Normandy is in the north of France... so without knowing exactly who gave them that name, we can't know why they were given that name. If it were given to them by Europeans living further south, then that could also explain the name. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon TEH CONSPIRACY IZ ALL Les forum de la chance. Incaseofemergency,breakglass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
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Babelicious
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written Wednesday, July 23 2003 18:38
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The Normans were the ancestors of Norse invaders who settled down in northern France. http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~dee/MA/NORMANS.HTM Posts: 999 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Wednesday, July 23 2003 19:07
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Is this about the Normans or the Vikings. And Anyway The Brits allso took land frome other people because they had so little land in the Begining. But every Empire is accused of doing that, look at Rome, Macedonia, Athens, Sparta, Babylon. But the Vikings wern't really a Empire.According to Random House Websters Conscise Dictionary they where, "one of the Scandinavian pirates of the late 8'th to 11'th centuries." So they were Nordic Style Pirates, and that is frome the Dictionary not me. So don't yell at me, yell at Websters Soul. -------------------- Look Ma, I'm banned! Posts: 1046 | Registered: Friday, March 22 2002 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Thursday, July 24 2003 07:18
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It's not about the amount of land, it's about the quality. We Brits have one of the best climates for producing food. However, the Vikings had relatively poor land for farming, hence the need to go raiding. -------------------- KazeArctica: "Imagine...wangs everywhere...and tentacles. Nothing but wangs and tentacles! And no pants!" Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00 |
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This Side Towards Enemy
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written Thursday, July 24 2003 11:28
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Of course empires are expansionist, they're empires for that very reason. OK, I don't blame you, but I think Webster's is wrong. Pirate to me implies commerce raider. The Vikings took property that wasn't being traded or they moved in and took over the lands. That would make them thieves/brigands and conquerors. But enough of this game of semantics. David, the Vikings most assuredly did start out brutal. Love and forgiveness did not keep you alive in Dark Ages Europe. Also, I feel I should point out that the rise of the various Viking kingdoms was due to a warm spell in Scandinavia, allowing sustained population growth which necessitated war to expand. The ceasing of raids was largely due to the end of this effect around 1100 and the fact that they could no longer use England as a base. -------------------- Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned I'll tell you my story, man Though I wish I'd never been born I'm loose at the seams, I've broken my dreams And my hand it shakes the pen Come on, come on now baby, Let the good times roll again Posts: 961 | Registered: Thursday, June 12 2003 07:00 |
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Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire!
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written Thursday, July 24 2003 17:24
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Ah, yeah, sorry, I shouldn't have said Vikings; the Vikings were invaders, and those at home weren't exactly Vikings. Anyway, my point if that they didn't start out violent, the only got violent when they began crossing the sea and wreaking havoc. Until then they were no more violent than any other clans or tribes or whatever. -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon TEH CONSPIRACY IZ ALL Les forum de la chance. Incaseofemergency,breakglass. Posts: 3351 | Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Thursday, July 24 2003 17:46
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Webster said Nordic Nations Style of Pirates. There are diffrent styles of Pirates. The pirates that stole at sea was one type. I have no Idea where they came frome. And the Pirates frome The Nordic nations who invaded and took peoples land was Nordic style Pirates. -------------------- Look Ma, I'm banned! Posts: 1046 | Registered: Friday, March 22 2002 08:00 |