Thoroughly disgusted

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Shyguy Shock Trooper Member # 954	written Thursday, September 9 2004 16:48 Profile #25 When I wrote to Spiderweb to complain about the .sit file, here's the response I got... ------------------------------------------------- Mariann, What do I do with this whiney guy? Do you want me to figure out how to do the files as .zip instead of .sit? Linda ------------------------------------------------- Nice, huh. Posts: 246 \| Registered: Thursday, April 11 2002 07:00
Djur Revolutions Babelicious Member # 3149	written Thursday, September 9 2004 17:48 Profile Homepage #26 Really? I'll be damned. Linda is even worse than I thought. She really CC'd that to you? This is an insult. I have bought Spiderweb games in the past, and if this is how they choose to treat the people who produce content for a game that they no longer work on but still profit on... well, they don't deserve any more profit from me. I was going to buy BoA, but not now. Not ever. Not unless some major changes happen, starting first with some apologies. -------------------- I've got a pyg in a poke. Posts: 999 \| Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00
Custer Bob's Big Date Member # 3151	written Thursday, September 9 2004 17:51 Profile Homepage #27 If I were SW, I'd consider letting Ms. Strout go. She really hasn't done a lot for community rapport, and it might be wiser to hire someone who would resonate better with the community to work in her capacity. A convicted child-molester perhaps, or an ardent neo-Nazi. -------------------- The biggest, the baddest, and the fattest. Posts: 2367 \| Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00
Thuryl ...b10010b... Member # 869	written Friday, September 10 2004 00:03 Profile Homepage #28 This is beyond arrogance. This is insanity. Linda Strout is obviously both technically incompetent and utterly unsuited to customer service. She has to go. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 \| Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Friday, September 10 2004 00:27 Profile Homepage #29 Excuse me while I scream violently for a few minutes. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Drakefyre Triad Mage Member # 7	written Friday, September 10 2004 01:07 Profile Homepage #30 Heh heh heh. Major overreactions from the entire community. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00
Thuryl ...b10010b... Member # 869	written Friday, September 10 2004 02:13 Profile Homepage #31 I thought Shyguy was overreacting a little at first too, but just look at that reply. The second paragraph worries me more than the first; the fact that Linda failed to notice or appreciate the difference between a .sit file and a .zip file, and apparently did not in fact know how to make a .zip file at all despite maintaining a database that stores scenarios exclusively in that format, simply astounds me. EDIT: Areni and Lost Tunnels 2, both on the Untried and Untested list, are also in .sit format. Seems an odd sort of business practice to alienate half your customers, but it's not as if there isn't precedent for it -- witness the frankly bizarre decision to store Mac custom graphics in resource forks in BoA. [ Friday, September 10, 2004 02:38: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 \| Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
Silent Motion BoE Posse Member # 15	written Friday, September 10 2004 05:52 Profile Homepage #32 quote: Originally written by Andrea: It would be feasible to develop a community-serviced scenario database. You'd simply have a password system -- scenario designers sign up for an account; you add a few administrators; other than that, the scenario designers themselves add and modify their scenario entries and upload the appropriate files. This system would make it so that the only administrative red tape would be that required to manage accounts and keep an eye out for abuse. Combine this with an Alexandria-style system and you have a searchable scenario database, complete with scores, kept current by those with the most interest in keeping it so. Scenarios by people who are no longer around in the community could be grandfathered in by the administrators, since there's little chance of the original author needing to modify the record. All it requires is some scripting, some HTML, and a nice SQL database. And effort. And interest. I've been planning on implementing such a system for Pyg. It'll be fun. So why not do it for BoA? BoE scenario development is so slow now I don't think it's worth it - but if you want to do it, I'd be happy to send you all the Alex data and turn it over to you. Talk is cheap, but action here would be rewarded by a very grateful community. [ Friday, September 10, 2004 05:53: Message edited by: Silence in Motion ] -------------------- All that we see, or seem, is but a dream within a dream. Visit the Louvre, the BoA Graphics Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boa/louvre/ Visit Alexandria, the BoE Scenario Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boe/alexandriajs/ Posts: 653 \| Registered: Thursday, September 27 2001 07:00
Djur Revolutions Babelicious Member # 3149	written Friday, September 10 2004 06:00 Profile Homepage #33 Doing it for one would do it for others very easily. If I were hypothetically to make this hypothetical database for Blades, speaking in a purely hypothetical manner, what data do you think would be useful to store? Basically what you have at Alexandria? I've also been thinking that it'd be useful to have a separate table for designers. That way, one would simply have to modify their contact info once and it would change all of their scenario records. What do you think? Er, hypothetically. -------------------- I've got a pyg in a poke. Posts: 999 \| Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00
The Almighty Doer of Stuff Shaper Member # 73	written Friday, September 10 2004 10:08 Profile #34 makes mental note on how not to run a software company The goatse website has been taken down due to violating the rules of its host. Were it still up, I'd consider sending the images to her. -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 \| Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00
go baby go (TGM) Veteran* Member # 2286	written Friday, September 10 2004 10:13 Profile #35 Pfft, you silly boy, it's still up coughgoat.cxcough. -------------------- The Great Mister kommari@gmail.com[/url] Posts: 911 \| Registered: Sunday, November 24 2002 08:00
Archmagus Micael Agent Member # 4506	written Friday, September 10 2004 10:49 Profile Homepage #36 I'm sure she'd like that! wickedchuckle :D Talk about customer services... "Whiney Guy". And they complain about OUR intellectual losses. But we'll probably have Linda Strout around for ages to come. I mean, after all, she's been with them for a fair while already! - Archmagi Micael -------------------- "You dare Trifle with Avernum?" ~ Erika the Archmage -------------------- My Scenarios: Undead Valley : A small Undead problem, what could possibly go wrong? -------------------- Richard Black - PROOF of his existance (the Infernal one's website). -------------------- MY FORUM! Randomosity at it's highest! :) Posts: 1370 \| Registered: Thursday, June 10 2004 07:00
Shyguy Shock Trooper Member # 954	written Friday, September 10 2004 07:18 Profile #37 The "whiney guy" part didn't bother me half as much as the second line. What IS the matter with these people? Don't they know that Windows users can't open .sit files? I've already got an email from a player asking me how to open the file. I told him to check out this forum and then to complain to Spiderweb. [ Friday, September 10, 2004 07:19: Message edited by: Shyguy ] Posts: 246 \| Registered: Thursday, April 11 2002 07:00
Archmagus Micael Agent Member # 4506	written Friday, September 10 2004 07:28 Profile Homepage #38 quote: Originally written by Shyguy: The "whiney guy" part didn't bother me half as much as the second line. What IS the matter with these people? Don't they know that Windows users can't open .sit files? I've already got an email from a player asking me how to open the file. I told him to check out this forum and then to complain to Spiderweb. Yeah, I know, it SOOOOOOO simple. If she can't be bothered to install WinZip, right hand click the folder, and select "Add to shyguysscenario.zip" she must be either; a) inept b) annoying c) plain damned annoying d) all of the above! - Archmagi Micael But also, ShyGuy, don't forget, Jeff doesn't get all of the Emails you send him. Some go to Mariann, and some to... Linda (I can see why Jeff named the evil lady in Exile\Avernum 3 {Tower of Magi disaster} after her :D !) -------------------- "You dare Trifle with Avernum?" ~ Erika the Archmage -------------------- My Scenarios: Undead Valley : A small Undead problem, what could possibly go wrong? -------------------- Richard Black - PROOF of his existance (the Infernal one's website). -------------------- MY FORUM! Randomosity at it's highest! :) Posts: 1370 \| Registered: Thursday, June 10 2004 07:00
*i The Establishment Member # 6	written Friday, September 10 2004 07:31 Profile #39 Spiderweb has never been reknowned for its customer service. -------------------- Your flower power is no match for my glower power! Posts: 3726 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Archmagus Micael Agent Member # 4506	written Friday, September 10 2004 07:35 Profile Homepage #40 quote: Originally written by i: Spiderweb has never been reknowned for its customer service.* heavy sarcasm I wonder why. heavy sarcasm -------------------- "You dare Trifle with Avernum?" ~ Erika the Archmage -------------------- My Scenarios: Undead Valley : A small Undead problem, what could possibly go wrong? -------------------- Richard Black - PROOF of his existance (the Infernal one's website). -------------------- MY FORUM! Randomosity at it's highest! :) Posts: 1370 \| Registered: Thursday, June 10 2004 07:00
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Friday, September 10 2004 08:41 Profile Homepage #41 quote: Originally written by Drakefyre: Heh heh heh. Major overreactions from the entire community. You, child, are no designer. I identify with Shyguy's rejection, insomuch as we BoE designers make the game worth buying. By slapping the designers in the face, you harm the game itself. Put Linda on the phones, but goddamn, keep that bitch off of the website. And of course, this nonsense doesn't help me want to design more scenarios for a product supported so abysmally. -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
The Creator BoE Posse Member # 112	written Friday, September 10 2004 11:56 Profile #42 This is perplexing. Areni was put up as a .zip file first (and I think can still be downloaded in that format from the forum header), but has indeed now been replaced with a .sit. That's amazing. Why would anyone go to so much trouble to make things worse? Do ya wanna be a part of the solution? [ Friday, September 10, 2004 12:28: Message edited by: The Creator ] -------------------- Rate my scenarios! Areni Revenge To Live in Fear Deadly Goblins Ugantan Nightmare Isle of Boredom Posts: 1423 \| Registered: Sunday, October 7 2001 07:00
The Immortal BANNED Member # 4	written Friday, September 10 2004 13:19 Profile Homepage #43 Signed. My patience thins slowly yet steadily. -------------------- * Posts: 6936 \| Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Sturg Master Member # 4614	written Friday, September 10 2004 14:02 Profile Homepage #44 How the heck did she find out how to make a .sit file in the first place? And then she can't figure out how to make a .zip. :rolleyes: Maybe Jeff should just erase BoE totally from his site. And hand it out as freeware. Then he'd have even more time to work with his precious BoA. -------------------- -ben4808 Posts: 3360 \| Registered: Friday, June 25 2004 07:00
Dragyn Bob Agent Member # 14	written Saturday, September 11 2004 02:49 Profile #45 Might I suggest that the petition be amended to recommend the termination of one L. Strout, who unlike the beloved and benevolent Mariann is despised by the community and regarded as the devil? -------------------- *Dragyn Bob* "Abandon all hope, ye who enter here!"-The Divine Comedy Posts: 1481 \| Registered: Thursday, September 27 2001 07:00
Archmagus Micael Agent Member # 4506	written Saturday, September 11 2004 06:05 Profile Homepage #46 Getting rid of her would be good, but then we'd only be forced to foister all of our problems on another person. But anyway, I'm not even sure Jeff likes Linda {Tower of Magi Disaster. The twit that lets the demons in is called LINDA!} . :D But i mean, maybe the next person won't be as bad as Linda Strout, or maybe she'll just grow up, and pulo herself together, so we can treat her as a being, not like a demented Al'Quaeda terrorist! - Archmagi Micael Oh also, If Al'Quaeda is censored, I didn't know, so TOUGH! -------------------- "You dare Trifle with Avernum?" ~ Erika the Archmage -------------------- My Scenarios: Undead Valley : A small Undead problem, what could possibly go wrong? -------------------- Richard Black - PROOF of his existance (the Infernal one's website). -------------------- MY FORUM! Randomosity at it's highest! :) Posts: 1370 \| Registered: Thursday, June 10 2004 07:00
Djur Revolutions Babelicious Member # 3149	written Saturday, September 11 2004 06:44 Profile Homepage #47 I doubt Linda the wizard was named after Linda the glorified secretary. I think the character predates the employee. -------------------- I've got a pyg in a poke. Posts: 999 \| Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00
Nicothodes Lifecrafter Member # 4682	written Saturday, September 11 2004 06:57 Profile #48 I signed it. I only tried out the demo once(though I've been debating getting it after I get Avernum 1&2), but if their customer service person isn't even going to be polite , let alone helpful, the petition needs every signature it can get. -------------------- Do not underestimate the power of the mechanical pencil. Join the Dark side. We have cookies. Played in: Fiddler on the Roof Bye Bye Birdie "Hey, Patrick, feel this random pipe. It's squishy"-Nils Posts: 834 \| Registered: Thursday, July 8 2004 07:00
Silent Motion BoE Posse Member # 15	written Saturday, September 11 2004 07:14 Profile Homepage #49 quote: Originally written by Andrea: Doing it for one would do it for others very easily. If I were hypothetically to make this hypothetical database for Blades, speaking in a purely hypothetical manner, what data do you think would be useful to store? Basically what you have at Alexandria? I've also been thinking that it'd be useful to have a separate table for designers. That way, one would simply have to modify their contact info once and it would change all of their scenario records. What do you think? Er, hypothetically. I think everything at Alex would be good. Do keep seperate tables for designers, download locations, user review e-mail addresses. That would be far superior to what I have, and far easier to maintain. If Alcritas moves one more time..... :) -------------------- All that we see, or seem, is but a dream within a dream. Visit the Louvre, the BoA Graphics Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boa/louvre/ Visit Alexandria, the BoE Scenario Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boe/alexandriajs/ Posts: 653 \| Registered: Thursday, September 27 2001 07:00