Is 8 really the highest useful leadership?
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, February 14 2007 21:39
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When in the shaper keep, I talked to the trainer, and was told I couldn't get training as I hadn't helped the shapers and "you aren't persuasive enough to convince him otherwise". I have 8 leadership, and wonder if that is a red herring, or if higher leadership will let you get training without helping the shapers. -------------------- Warning: Posts may contain misspellinks and typo.s Posts: 409 | Registered: Sunday, March 31 2002 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Wednesday, February 14 2007 21:49
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The more rebellious your actions have been, the more Leadership you'll need in some encounters. You could have done it with much lower leadership before doing some quests, but it's not terribly important. —Alorael, who does believe it's always possible to get training with enough leadership. Enough just becomes unrealistic very quickly. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Wednesday, February 14 2007 21:50
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I would suggest that you either help the Shapers to get training from him, or look for help elsewhere. (Namely, the Rebel Safehouse) -------------------- Scenarios need reviews! Please rate these scenarios at the CSR after playing them! Amnesia • Dilecia • The Empire's New Grove • Express Delivery Twilight Valley • Witch Hunt • Where the Rivers Meet • Foul Hordes Posts: 2686 | Registered: Friday, September 8 2006 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Wednesday, February 14 2007 22:16
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Some infiltrator items will raise leadership. There are a few places where leadership of 10 will help you get experience and avoid a fight. Moseh's Bunker to repair him, West Illya Road with the patrol thahds, and Alwan to avoid revealing the Safehouse (that might be lower). [ Saturday, February 17, 2007 06:14: Message edited by: Randomizer ] Posts: 4643 | Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, February 16 2007 17:31
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The problem with 8 leadership, is even if you are helping the rebels, you can't get training from them in shaping except for tier 1 creations, just canisters. Thus you need training from that shaper if you want the advanced creation types. -------------------- Warning: Posts may contain misspellinks and typo.s Posts: 409 | Registered: Sunday, March 31 2002 08:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Friday, February 16 2007 17:37
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I assume you are talking about Duncan in Rivergate Keep. Although Leadership can make it easier to get him to train you, you don't need it, and you only need a minimal pro-shaper reputation (105) to utilize him. Leadership exchanges on a 1 to 1 basis with reputation for his check, so pumping leadership high for that would be a gross waste of skill points. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Friday, February 16 2007 19:28
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As long as you get the Repair Moseh quest from Alwan, you can get a pass from Alwan to get in Shaper Camp Gamma. There you can get creation training. The Shapers only train you in approved creations so drayk, drakon, and gazer are all canister learned. Posts: 4643 | Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00 |
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written Friday, February 16 2007 19:46
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Oddly enough, War Tralls have to be learned from canisters as well. They'd be marginally more useful if they were the only tier-5 creation learnable without canisters, but they're not. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, February 16 2007 21:21
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Hmm, as I haven't been helping the shapers any, I can't get the repair Moseh quest. -------------------- Warning: Posts may contain misspellinks and typo.s Posts: 409 | Registered: Sunday, March 31 2002 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Friday, February 16 2007 22:25
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Check the link at the top of the Geneforge 4 Forum for reputation. There are several quests that you can do to improve your reputation to the Shaper side. Also based upon the rewards you can estimate your current reputation. Posts: 4643 | Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Friday, February 16 2007 23:52
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I kind of did every available quest for the benefit of the rebels. So does that mean no shaping training for anything but tier 1 creations the whole game? -------------------- Warning: Posts may contain misspellinks and typo.s Posts: 409 | Registered: Sunday, March 31 2002 08:00 |
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written Saturday, February 17 2007 01:08
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Yup. The rebels expect you to use canisters to get the creations you need. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Raven v. Writing Desk
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written Saturday, February 17 2007 04:38
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Thuryl's right. What AM I talking about? *blinks* [ Saturday, February 17, 2007 04:59: Message edited by: Slartanalycyst ] -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00 |
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written Saturday, February 17 2007 04:45
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Uh, Slar, what are you talking about? There's definitely a reputation requirement to get the Repair Moseh quest. Even your own reputation guide mentions it, and I've just checked the Rivergate Keep script myself; it's definitely there. As far as I can tell, you can't report Moseh's death to Alwan unless you got the quest, either. [ Saturday, February 17, 2007 04:47: Message edited by: Cryptozoology ] -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Saturday, February 17 2007 10:28
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Hmm, so unless you help the shapers, you can't get the advanced types of clawbugs, kyshyks(sp), vlish, glaahks, roamers, or battle alphas? -------------------- Warning: Posts may contain misspellinks and typo.s Posts: 409 | Registered: Sunday, March 31 2002 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Saturday, February 17 2007 12:44
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Or using canisters. -------------------- "I can't read this thread with that image. But then, that's not a complaint." -Scorpius Geneforge 4 stuff. Also, everything I know about Avernum | Avernum 2 | Avernum 3 | Avernum 4 Posts: 1104 | Registered: Monday, March 10 2003 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Saturday, February 17 2007 13:47
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No, I read a list in some thread, and for those creations there only exist 2 canisters each. -------------------- Warning: Posts may contain misspellinks and typo.s Posts: 409 | Registered: Sunday, March 31 2002 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Monday, February 19 2007 06:12
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In the other GF games, I find that having a silver tongue really helps you through some tough conversations. I always buy a about 12-15 levels myself. However, I don't fully know how much I need in G2 thru G4, because I only have the demos (I know, shame on me, though I do have G1), and usually don't buy more than what I need for the demo portion. -------------------- Either I'm crazy, or everybody else is nuts. And I know I'm not crazy because the little man who lives on my shoulder told me so. If people don't think there's something wrong with you, there's something wrong with you. Posts: 558 | Registered: Friday, September 15 2006 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Monday, February 19 2007 11:52
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I read in another thread recently that each point of leadership gives a benefit of one point of reputation for that trainer, where any quest with 2 outcomes gives 1-5 reputation, so you really can't have enough leadership there if you always help the rebels. Someone said there are a few normal encounters where 12 leadership will do something in the game. -------------------- Warning: Posts may contain misspellinks and typo.s Posts: 409 | Registered: Sunday, March 31 2002 08:00 |