Avernum 5 Ideas

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Tyranicus Law Bringer Member # 6489	written Wednesday, December 6 2006 20:46 Profile Homepage #25 quote: Originally written by Synergy67: It also opens up a passage to a vast new cavern system which must be explored and secured for migration and colonization. What one could find in such an uncharted realm could go in many directions, but it could be very fresh, and not necessarily exclusively hostile. Can someone say Exodus? :P -------------------- "You're drinking liquor because you're thirsty? How nasty is your freaking water?" —Lazarus Spiderweb Chat Room Avernum RP • Summaries • OoC • Roster Shadow Vale - My site, home of the Spiderweb Chat Database, BoA Scenario Database, & the A1 Quest List, among other things. Posts: 1556 \| Registered: Sunday, November 20 2005 08:00
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Wednesday, December 6 2006 21:41 Profile Homepage #26 Yeah, and Solberg's homeland sliths idea is kinda treading on my territory, too. :P -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
jamesmcm Warrior Member # 7745	written Thursday, December 7 2006 00:44 Profile #27 MULTIPLAYER! Whether it be LAN or Internet or MMORPG-style or all of them i don't care but it's just about time they put multiplayer in... Posts: 59 \| Registered: Thursday, December 7 2006 08:00
Synergy Shaper Member # 6292	written Thursday, December 7 2006 06:01 Profile #28 quote: Originally written by Tyranicus: quote: Originally written by Synergy67: It also opens up a passage to a vast new cavern system which must be explored and secured for migration and colonization. What one could find in such an uncharted realm could go in many directions, but it could be very fresh, and not necessarily exclusively hostile. Can someone say Exodus? :P Hmm, the only Ultima I ever played was IV back in 1986, but it goes to show there is no new idea under the sun ultimately. I think it would be great fun in the Avernum context though. I love exploration and discovery of strange, unpredictable and aesthetically impressive things in games. Avernum 4 pretty much lost that effect with no elevation and a retread of wholly familiar territory and little sense of beauty (light or dark) or wonder. A lot of people didn't enjoy Avernum 3 for some reason, but I really enjoyed exploring that surface world. -S- -------------------- A4 Items • A4 Singleton • G4 Items • G4 Forging • G4 Infiltrator • NR Items • The Lonely Celt Posts: 2009 \| Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Thursday, December 7 2006 09:16 Profile Homepage #29 No, like, Exodus, the BoA scenario. The premise of my most recent scenario is exploring a large, newly-opened area of the caves. [ Thursday, December 07, 2006 09:17: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Thursday, December 7 2006 13:41 Profile Homepage #30 It's an obvious premise with caves. Even ZKR is basically predicated on the existence of caves near Avernum that haven't yet been explored or settled. —Alorael, who doesn't want time limits. Timers are no fun for the compulsive. He also does not view a plague of bandits in any kinder light than plagues of other things. The only plague that really makes sense is chitrachs, and they're extremely irritating. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Slarty Raven v. Writing Desk Member # 261	written Thursday, December 7 2006 14:01 Profile Homepage #31 Chitrachs were not always this annoying. Sure, they were always hack n slash fests, but I remember them as being sort of interesting when they first appeared in E2. Back then, of course, they did things other than just attack. The real problem is having about 30 map sections (counting the basements) filled with Chitrachs. That was utterly ridiculous. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 \| Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00
John S Agent Member # 5814	written Thursday, December 7 2006 14:37 Profile #32 On a somewhat related note and also probably relating to the topic, I couldn't stand the multiple levels of A4. In previous Spiderweb games I just found a wall, walked along it, and traced out the outline of whatever region I was in; then I worked my way inwards, entered any towns, and thoroughly explored them as well. With A4 this is mostly impossible for several reasons: 1) You don't heal at the earlier rate while "outdoors", meaning you have to trek back to town every other time you fight a pack of bats 2) Multiple levels mean you (or at least I) have to backtrack, take every staircase down or up, and explore those tunnels 3) In the small section that I played, there were very few actual limits on how far I could move; my system completely failed when I had to cover so much territory at a time Chances are I just didn't play enough to let A4 grow on me. But the fact is that whether or not I have an uninformed opinion, that initial perception cost Spiderweb money. -------------------- quote: Originally written by Kelandon Well, I'm at least pretty Posts: 1115 \| Registered: Sunday, May 15 2005 07:00
Slarty Raven v. Writing Desk Member # 261	written Thursday, December 7 2006 15:05 Profile Homepage #33 I had the same experience. Be glad you didn't get to the Eastern Gallery. Imagine a 3x5 (or so) set of map squares with mostly interconnected basements, with chitrachs everywhere. Actually, don't. It's painful even to imagine it. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 \| Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00
Dikiyoba Councilor Member # 6600	written Thursday, December 7 2006 15:22 Profile Homepage #34 I wasn't so bothered by the levels as much as I was by the lack of distinction between "dungeons" and "outdoors". For instance, the bulk of the section with the hostile half-blood nephil leader or whatever he was felt really empty, considering that it was supposed to be the nephil's camp. Then I entered the next section, which I thought should be fairly empty because I've passed the blockade, and I tripped over nephilim left and right. There wasn't enough anticipation for and respite from the battles. Dikiyoba. Posts: 4346 \| Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Thursday, December 7 2006 16:20 Profile Homepage #35 I like outdoors and indoors too, but I didn't think A4's sections were as bad as that. Exploration worked just fine, although Avernum has always been about secret passages. The only problem for me is that the world feels much smaller when there's no zooming out for roaming across the countryside. —Alorael, who liked the chitrach warrens a great deal. "Like' isn't really the right word for suffering and fear, but it will do. They were a good area. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Thursday, December 7 2006 17:04 Profile Homepage #36 Now that I think about it more: I really hated the lack of outdoors. It might be a problem that I have with GF, too. Lack of elevation was also a problem. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Randomizer Law Bringer Member # 6785	written Thursday, December 7 2006 17:17 Profile #37 Elevations distinguish Avernum and Nethergate from the other games. The merging of towns and outside wouldn't have been so bad if the proportions had been maintained. I would buff and haste my party and race through an area until the haste wore off and leave fight mode to save. It was depressing how far you could travel between towns in A4 on one haste. It would be nice to have a new area to explore outside the current caves. Even as a new underground level like the tunnels under the Great Cave with more interesting encounters. Maybe more than 2 levels in a area so you have a multilayer dungeon over more than one map area in the level. Posts: 4643 \| Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00
Synergy Shaper Member # 6292	written Thursday, December 7 2006 18:14 Profile #38 quote: Originally written by Kelandon: No, like, Exodus, the BoA scenario. The premise of my most recent scenario is exploring a large, newly-opened area of the caves. Ah, well, I like this idea, so kudos. What I didn't like was the opening fight, so I never got any farther than that to play it. -S- -------------------- A4 Items • A4 Singleton • G4 Items • G4 Forging • G4 Infiltrator • NR Items • The Lonely Celt Posts: 2009 \| Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00
MidniteNightingale Apprentice Member # 6503	written Thursday, December 7 2006 20:47 Profile #39 I'd like to see the clearance system return, ala Exile/Avernum 2. The whole Magi/Royal Clearance thing was pretty rewarding, it gave you more of a reason to return to previous areas, and I felt a greater sense of accomplishment when I returned to said areas. Posts: 18 \| Registered: Friday, November 25 2005 08:00
Scorpius Infiltrator Member # 8	written Thursday, December 7 2006 22:27 Profile #40 I'd like to see a return of the surface world. And yeah, as Alorael said, time limits are horrible. -------------------- "Names is for tombstones, baby." -Mr. Big Posts: 699 \| Registered: Thursday, September 20 2001 07:00
Ephesos Law Bringer Member # 4153	written Thursday, December 7 2006 22:52 Profile Homepage #41 quote: Originally written by MidniteNightingale: I'd like to see the clearance system return, ala Exile/Avernum 2. The whole Magi/Royal Clearance thing was pretty rewarding, it gave you more of a reason to return to previous areas, and I felt a greater sense of accomplishment when I returned to said areas. I agree... I really liked that system, and I missed it in A4. Even just something like A3's occasional uses of reputation were nice... I just want reputation back. -------------------- Thuryl: "Runescape: for people who are too stupid to save their games." Gamble with Gaea, and she eats your dice. Posts: 4130 \| Registered: Friday, March 26 2004 08:00