The Community Is Criminally Ignorant: A Study

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Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Tuesday, November 2 2004 19:38 Profile Homepage #25
As I've already said in both topics, achieving each of the three main objectives in E1 or E2 gives you a message that explicitly states you've found "one of the ways to win" the game.

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Sticky
Infiltrator
Member # 4256
 written Tuesday, November 2 2004 19:40 Profile #26
Ah... Thanks

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RavagedSoul
BANNED
Member # 5141
 written Tuesday, November 2 2004 21:11 Profile #27
# 5:
In Exile 2. There are three main things that you can do in the game. Fear and Uncertainty believes that if you do any one of these, you win. I never registered Exile 2, but Avernum 2. Fear and Uncertainty asked how many ways there were to win. I see the 3 things as 1 way to win. He sees them as 3 different ways to win. Thats about that.
1. Kill Garzahd
2. Return 3 Crystal Souls
3. Close Portal
(not in that order)
Posts: 38 | Registered: Thursday, October 28 2004 07:00
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Tuesday, November 2 2004 21:29 Profile Homepage #28
Your opinion doesn't mean much when the core game itself directly contradicts you.

If I may use an analogy to backgammon, completing one objective is like winning a game, completing two is like winning a gammon, and completing three is like winning a backgammon. They're all forms of winning, even when one is "better" than the others.

[ Tuesday, November 02, 2004 21:32: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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Mortimer
Shock Trooper
Member # 643
 written Tuesday, November 2 2004 22:52 Profile #29
hmmm, all depends what some one considers winning a game I guess. With most games its when the credits start rolling and you have to start again. In which case for Avernum(s) at least it would be:

Avernum 1 Escaping to the Surface

Avernum 2 Killing Garzahd (not sure if this actually ends the game or if you can still keep playing).

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Posts: 289 | Registered: Saturday, February 16 2002 08:00
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Tuesday, November 2 2004 23:41 Profile Homepage #30
You can keep playing after killing Garzahd.

(You can also keep playing (and get a victory message) after finding the exit to the surface, if you choose not to use it.)

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RavagedSoul
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Member # 5141
 written Wednesday, November 3 2004 12:30 Profile #31
quote:
Originally written by Fear Uncertainty and Custer:

quote:
Originally written by RavagedSoul:

Do you mean me? I am not taking anything too seriously. Merely stating that I think Fear and Uncertainty is taking our "ignorant level" from a game too seriously.
Up yours, son.
Now that was uncalled for you pompous ass. Now you can say up mine. Have a nice day.

Originally written by Thuryl:
Your opinion doesn't mean much when the core game itself directly contradicts you.

I was replying to M's Chosen's question. There is no reason for you to have replied. That being the case, unless you can pull up the dialogue and post it here to prove me wrong, you're speaking out of your posterior.

[ Wednesday, November 03, 2004 12:34: Message edited by: RavagedSoul ]
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Kelandon
Off With Their Heads
Member # 4045
 written Wednesday, November 3 2004 12:53 Profile Homepage #32
You're really working to win the popularity contest, aren't you?

Alec and Thuryl have two of the longest tenures in the community of anyone I can think of. Insulting them is not the brightest thing one can do.

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Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
The Immortal
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Member # 4
 written Wednesday, November 3 2004 12:58 Profile Homepage #33
Dude, you REALLY need to shut your friggin' pie hole.

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Drakefyre
Triad Mage
Member # 7
 written Wednesday, November 3 2004 13:32 Profile Homepage #34
The game says that you have won after you complete each of the three tasks in both games. Therefore, three ways to win each game.

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Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00
RavagedSoul
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Member # 5141
 written Wednesday, November 3 2004 14:02 Profile #35
Excuse me Roger? Did I qoute a comment that had no insulting term towards me and then tell you to "up yours"? No. I didn't. What you don't get is that insulting me is not going to get me to shutup. You want me to shutup? Stop replying to me. Simple as that. I will stop this conversation simply because it has absolutely no valid reason to be in existence.

[ Wednesday, November 03, 2004 14:02: Message edited by: RavagedSoul ]
Posts: 38 | Registered: Thursday, October 28 2004 07:00
Sticky
Infiltrator
Member # 4256
 written Wednesday, November 3 2004 14:34 Profile #36
Just to tell you-
I don't know if you are aware.
But all the people recently- and it may just be me but there seems to have been many- who picked fights with the mods, oldies, or called TM, Rodger were banned.

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Posts: 564 | Registered: Wednesday, April 14 2004 07:00
The Immortal
BANNED
Member # 4
 written Wednesday, November 3 2004 14:48 Profile Homepage #37
I have designed ~17.5% of BoE scenarios. You may have heard of me.

Know this- I know more than you.

[ Wednesday, November 03, 2004 14:49: Message edited by: Roger Fickmann ]

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Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
RavagedSoul
BANNED
Member # 5141
 written Wednesday, November 3 2004 14:56 Profile #38
quote:
Originally written by Roger Fickmann:

I have designed ~17.5% of BoE scenarios. You may have heard of me.

Know this- I know more than you.
Know this- lol, you're funny.
Posts: 38 | Registered: Thursday, October 28 2004 07:00
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Wednesday, November 3 2004 16:11 Profile Homepage #39
From Section 2.4 of the Exile I manual:
quote:
Exile has many missions, some small, some large, some game-spanning. There are several ways to win the game, of varying difficulty.
Section 3.4 of the Exile II manual contains exactly the same two sentences.

[ Wednesday, November 03, 2004 16:13: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
RavagedSoul
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Member # 5141
 written Wednesday, November 3 2004 16:16 Profile #40
Obviously you either can't read, or choose to ignore half of my words. I NEVER REGISTERED EXILE 1 OR 2. I HAVE HOWEVER REGISTERED AVERNUM 2. I'm not asking for some wording that Jeff put in a manual. You go through the game again, and beat each one, and if it says "You won!" then come back and tell me. Beyond that I don't know why I'm replying to you. This subject is dead, let it go. You must be bored out of your mind to continue it.
Posts: 38 | Registered: Thursday, October 28 2004 07:00
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Wednesday, November 3 2004 16:24 Profile Homepage #41
If the manual isn't canonical enough for you, then the reason you're replying is obviously that you want to waste my time.

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The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Wednesday, November 3 2004 18:19 Profile #42
RavagedSoul -- Your conduct is totally unacceptable. Every post you have made has been insulting in some way or another. In the name of keeping integrity on this board, you are banned for a period not less than one week. If after this time, you are ready to rejoin, e-mail a board admin (Drakefyre, Schrodinger, or myself) and you may have your membership restored.

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Posts: 3726 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00
Drakefyre
Triad Mage
Member # 7
 written Thursday, November 4 2004 12:11 Profile Homepage #43
Funny ... my post is exactly what he wants, and yet it's ignored.

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Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Thursday, November 4 2004 17:28 Profile Homepage #44
He seemed to imply that he wanted a verbatim quote from the game. If we got one, he'd probably demand a screenshot.

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Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
Sticky
Infiltrator
Member # 4256
 written Friday, November 5 2004 06:09 Profile #45
No then he would accuse us of editing the pics to change the text. What he wanted was to be banned.

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Posts: 564 | Registered: Wednesday, April 14 2004 07:00
Eagle1
Apprentice
Member # 4952
 written Friday, November 5 2004 13:10 Profile #46
Well he certainly lived up to his handle..... He really is a Ravaged Soul!!! Nothing seemed to be good enough for him!

"The Eagle has Landed"

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Eagle1
Posts: 46 | Registered: Friday, September 10 2004 07:00
Captain Obvious
Warrior
Member # 5159
 written Friday, November 5 2004 13:24 Profile #47
why are you guys insulting a banned member?

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Posts: 78 | Registered: Wednesday, November 3 2004 08:00
Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Friday, November 5 2004 14:08 Profile Homepage #48
It's the online equivalent of spitting on a grave.

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*i
The Establishment
Member # 6
 written Friday, November 5 2004 21:19 Profile #49
It's more a way to vent frustration than anything else. I don't enjoy telling people that they have to leave, but seriously, 95% of his posts demeaned and directly insulted other members.

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