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BoE Posse
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written Saturday, July 17 2004 17:14
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Diplomacy with the Dead, on Torment, level 1 party. -------------------- Rate my scenarios! Areni Revenge To Live in Fear Deadly Goblins Ugantan Nightmare Isle of Boredom Posts: 1423 | Registered: Sunday, October 7 2001 07:00 |
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BANNED
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written Saturday, July 17 2004 17:28
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Not happening. BoA's level mechanics basically means that monsters get so big that even one skeleton (they're set as level 15 or summat) is too much for a level 1 party- too many HP, and no truly reliable way to down it. Well, not saying that you can't prove me wrong, but good luck. -_- -------------------- * Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Saturday, July 17 2004 17:36
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I'm not saying I'm going to do it. I'm saying I just did it. -------------------- Rate my scenarios! Areni Revenge To Live in Fear Deadly Goblins Ugantan Nightmare Isle of Boredom Posts: 1423 | Registered: Sunday, October 7 2001 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Saturday, July 17 2004 18:24
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Was your level one party equiped with the best of stuff? Either way, very impressive. Lucky for you, I am not skeptical. Until I learn otherwise i Will accept what you did, as a joke ;) But if you did do it, very good job! Posts: 249 | Registered: Saturday, July 26 2003 07:00 |
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Shake Before Using
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written Saturday, July 17 2004 18:36
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Creator? You eat men's souls for breakfast. Obvious, required, questions - was DwtD your first scenario entered with this party? Did you at any point use the character editor on this party for any reason? Feel like divulging your basic party makeup? Oh, and because it's DwtD - which path did you take to beat the scenario? (answer will be spoiler, obviously) Posts: 3234 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Saturday, July 17 2004 19:02
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Even Thuryl was saying that he didn't think this sort of thing would be possible a while back, so, um, allow me to say: Wow. Have you done ZKR, too? -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Saturday, July 17 2004 20:39
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What would be the point if I'd cheated in any way? It was all legitimate, no character editor, no previous scenarios or anything like that. I used four priests - enough Priest Spells (3 levels) to get Repel Spirit, and a bunch of dexterity so they would get first strike. And I picked my fights carefully early on. I went against Vahkohs. I have not done ZKR. I haven't even played ZKR in BoA. It bored me enough the first time. -------------------- Rate my scenarios! Areni Revenge To Live in Fear Deadly Goblins Ugantan Nightmare Isle of Boredom Posts: 1423 | Registered: Sunday, October 7 2001 07:00 |
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BANNED
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written Saturday, July 17 2004 20:47
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Exact statistics? In combat, did you use haste to give yourself an extra boost? Did you bless much? How did you survive the "ray" attacks of the avatars? I'm in disbelief- but I suppose that I'll have to try it myself. -------------------- * Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Sunday, July 18 2004 06:23
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You know if anyone was going to do it, it would be The Creator. If I remeber correctly he did several other almost impossable tasks back in the days of BOE. Posts: 61 | Registered: Saturday, November 3 2001 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Sunday, July 18 2004 07:11
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This has probably been asked somewhere else in the boards, but my searches didn't find anything. Hey Creater, where do you have your episodes? -------------------- You can never stare too long at a nuclear explosion... Posts: 4 | Registered: Thursday, June 27 2002 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Sunday, July 18 2004 07:37
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If by "episodes" you mean "scenarios," they're all on the Spiderweb tables, mostly under Solid Adventures. Yeah, the Creator's nuts. Falling Stars with a level 1 party, Tomorrow with a level 1 party, and now this? Gah. He must be stopped! :P -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Shake Before Using
Member # 75
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written Sunday, July 18 2004 08:20
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Creator - Well, sometimes I allow myself certain uses of the character editor. Replenishing my stats in the final town of Cave of No Return instead of backtracking across that huge second floor to get out of the cave, for example. (Sometimes, I'll also cheat in an invulnerability potion if the designer implements some sort of unavoidable "level check" - but the last time I can remember doing this was in Bandits 2 (Phyreus), and I didn't feel bad since I'm pretty sure I could have bought those potions in town beforehand had I been forewarned.) Posts: 3234 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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BoE Posse
Member # 112
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written Sunday, July 18 2004 16:53
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Well, yeah, fair enough. But I was trying to challenge myself, not beat it fairly. :P Exact stats? Well, obviously they changed a fair bit as I went, but in essence: 4 Nephil priests, all with Fast on Feet and Naural Mage, and with 10 dexterity so I could act before the basic forms of undead (zombies, skeletons, etc). I got more dexterity as I went. They all had enough Priest Spells to cast Repel Spirit, and I obviously got as many levels of that spell as I could. One of them I focussed on getting Intelligence. One on getting Mage Spells. One on getting more Priest Spells, and one on Tool Use. By the time I finished I could cast Divine Retribution and Fireblast. Also, I discovered that Intelligence is useless. There was no difference between my smart priest and any of the others. So I stopped getting him any more levels in anything. I could have got him more Priest/Mage Spells, but I couldn't afford them for the guys who could learn them, so I just hung on to he skill points in case they came in handy. I did much the same thing with my lockpicker once there wasn't anything he couldn't pick. So I was level 17 when I finished, and two of my PCs had 50+ spare skill points. Toughest fight was those Spectral Avatars on the bridge. I hardly ever hasted myself (only for the Vahkohs fights), simply because if I didn't bring down a few enemies in the first round, I was usually dead. Blessing, again, hardly ever. I just tried not to get hit. I'm suprised people are making such a big deal out of this. Tomorrow was a tougher challenge (not winning the fights as much as unlocking the chests to get the stuff I needed to win the fights!). EDIT: Back in the days of BoE? It's STILL the days of BoE. My 'episodes', if you mean scenarios, are indeed on the Spiderweb tables. Look for 'barcoorah' in the author's email field. If you're talking about the parodies I did, you can probably unearth them somewhere back in the BoE forum. If not, TM has them up at the Lyceum. [ Sunday, July 18, 2004 17:01: Message edited by: The Creator ] -------------------- Rate my scenarios! Areni Revenge To Live in Fear Deadly Goblins Ugantan Nightmare Isle of Boredom Posts: 1423 | Registered: Sunday, October 7 2001 07:00 |
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Shake Before Using
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written Sunday, July 18 2004 17:03
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Intelligence is useless? I'll remember that. Posts: 3234 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Sunday, July 18 2004 17:07
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Possibly it helps for mage spells, but I found absolutely no difference in the power of Repel Spirit (at the same level, of course) cast by a priest with 8 intelligence and one with 2 intelligence. -------------------- Rate my scenarios! Areni Revenge To Live in Fear Deadly Goblins Ugantan Nightmare Isle of Boredom Posts: 1423 | Registered: Sunday, October 7 2001 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Sunday, July 18 2004 17:22
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So, just give your magic-users some points to get magery? -------------------- "Il est interdit de se battre sur le Champ du Massacre; dit-il avant de marquer une pause, le temps de reflechir a la logique de ses propos." Discworld, The Colour of Magic Posts: 178 | Registered: Monday, June 7 2004 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Monday, July 19 2004 00:40
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If intelligence doesn't help, then magery won't. It's odd that intelligence doesn't though, because the BoA Docs say that its damage is increased by your bonus. (it's been known to be wrong, though; it isn't too surprising). EDIT: After doing some testing with the character editor, I found that Intelligence does increase Repel Spirit's damage. [ Monday, July 19, 2004 01:29: Message edited by: Isaac ] -------------------- Creator of the 3D Blades of Avernum Editor for Mac. Get it at Ingenious Isaac's Illusion, my web page. Better yet, get Battle for Wesnoth, a wonderful free TBS game. Posts: 192 | Registered: Sunday, April 4 2004 08:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Monday, July 19 2004 02:15
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Funny. Why didn't it work for me? Or does it only help a little bit? -------------------- Rate my scenarios! Areni Revenge To Live in Fear Deadly Goblins Ugantan Nightmare Isle of Boredom Posts: 1423 | Registered: Sunday, October 7 2001 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Monday, July 19 2004 03:12
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Each level of intelligence only increases damage by 1. Since the amount of damage is randomized anyway, I suppose it's possible that you didn't notice 6 extra damage, especially if you were unlucky. -------------------- Creator of the 3D Blades of Avernum Editor for Mac. Get it at Ingenious Isaac's Illusion, my web page. Better yet, get Battle for Wesnoth, a wonderful free TBS game. Posts: 192 | Registered: Sunday, April 4 2004 08:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Monday, July 19 2004 03:18
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Okay, I stand corrected. Intelligence is effectively useless. :P -------------------- Rate my scenarios! Areni Revenge To Live in Fear Deadly Goblins Ugantan Nightmare Isle of Boredom Posts: 1423 | Registered: Sunday, October 7 2001 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Monday, July 19 2004 06:04
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Still not entirely true. Scripts can check for intelligence. Intelligence affects other stats, such as Rune Reading, both directly and indirectly (through Arcane Lore). It also increases mana. It has little effect on spell damage, but it has many other effects. -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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BANNED
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written Monday, July 19 2004 08:05
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It's effectively useless. Does anyone know what Magery does, or how effective Magical Efficiency really are? Personally, I'd just buy spell levels and make (or pick up) energy potions/elixirs. -------------------- * Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Monday, July 19 2004 08:26
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Magical Efficiency is very useful. I have a lot and can cast my more simple spells for nothing :cool: . -------------------- Do not underestimate the power of the mechanical pencil. Join the Dark side. We have cookies. Played in: Fiddler on the Roof Bye Bye Birdie "Hey, Patrick, feel this random pipe. It's squishy"-Nils Posts: 834 | Registered: Thursday, July 8 2004 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Monday, July 19 2004 11:07
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I thought I was just hallucinating when it seemed like Magery did nothing. I guess not. It seemed pretty powerful in the Trilogy, but in Blades, I haven't noticed its effects really at all. My god party has Magical Efficiency at about fifty, and I cast Arcane Blow and that sort of thing for about 3 or 4 sp. I think it doesn't have that much effect until you get a fair amount of it (say ten or so). -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Monday, July 19 2004 12:40
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Having 1 Efficiency (via Cloak of Clarity) occasionally helped reduce my heal spell to 1 spell point rather than 2. Magical Efficiency seems to be a worthy investment, from my experiences. But it would be interesting to know how much Mage Spells, Intelligence, and Magery affects damage, etc. -------------------- You're a moron if you think I'm not. Posts: 213 | Registered: Friday, March 26 2004 08:00 |
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