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Xoid
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 written Tuesday, December 6 2005 08:23 Profile #0
Could someone please point me to a working example of a script giving character(s) a dread curse?

[ Friday, December 09, 2005 02:12: Message edited by: CPeters ]

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The Immortal
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 written Tuesday, December 6 2005 08:26 Profile Homepage #1
Bahssikava. Final fight.

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Xoid
Shock Trooper
Member # 932
 written Tuesday, December 6 2005 08:37 Profile #2
Thanks, TM.

Alright, it seems that my code was working and BoA is just being cruel to me. Why do all the stats display as lower, including the Dread Curse stat? Is that normal, or is it a bug of some sort?

[ Tuesday, December 06, 2005 20:19: Message edited by: CPeters ]

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Thuryl
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Member # 869
 written Tuesday, December 6 2005 20:22 Profile Homepage #3
It's a purely cosmetic bug in BoA. Ignore it. Dread Curse still works as it should, even though it says you have 0 levels of it.

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Xoid
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Member # 932
 written Wednesday, December 7 2005 03:12 Profile #4
Consider this extract from the Blades of Avernum Editor Appendices:
quote:
void set_state(short new_state) - Changes the state of the script to new_state and immediately stops running the script. Has no effect in a dialogue script or in the states INIT_STATE, DEAD_STATE, or other predefined state types (except START_STATE).

void set_state_continue(short new_state) - Exactly like set_state, except that it doesn’t stop running the script.
Now that seems all well and good, but the script that I have been working with over the last two days says otherwise.

The following code worked with my script. Am I missing something here, or is this delightful occurance another one of the esteemed Mr. Vogel's "undocumented features"?
beginstate SEARCH_STATE;
set_state_continue(3);
break;
If this is not a bug, then I am begining to believe the documentation has more information incorrect than it has right.
If this is a bug, I would prefer that it not get fixed: this functionality can save me plenty of trouble.

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Thuryl
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 written Wednesday, December 7 2005 03:27 Profile Homepage #5
Yeah; the documentation is really misleading about what the difference actually is between set_state and set_state_continue. As far as I'm aware, set_state_continue working regardless of the state it's called in is correct behaviour. I'm not actually sure when you'd ever need or want to use set_state instead of set_state_continue.

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Imban
Shake Before Using
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 written Wednesday, December 7 2005 06:52 Profile #6
You want to terminate the current script yourself rather than letting BoA do it automatically when it reaches the end?
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Thuryl
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 written Wednesday, December 7 2005 16:23 Profile Homepage #7
I'm still wondering why you would ever have occasion to put anything other than a break; after a set_state call, thus making it a moot point. :P

[ Wednesday, December 07, 2005 16:24: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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The Immortal
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 written Wednesday, December 7 2005 21:42 Profile Homepage #8
Ahem- see floor 7 of Grenze.

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Xoid
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Member # 932
 written Friday, December 9 2005 02:11 Profile #9
Damn you Vogel, can you get anything right? G768.bmp - the ladder graphic has 3 off-white pixels.

[Asbestos suit]
Really, I thought that this sort of incompetence was the realm of the lesser artists within the community's custom graphics department.

And with that, I've probably alienated at least some the community's custom graphics department. For those who persist in using JPEG's, I have two words: LOSSLESS JPEG. I am ever so tired of having to white out pixels.
[/Asbestos suit]

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Tyranicus
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 written Friday, December 9 2005 02:34 Profile Homepage #10
quote:
G768.bmp - the ladder graphic has 3 off-white pixels.
I only found 2.

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Xoid
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Member # 932
 written Friday, December 9 2005 02:37 Profile #11
There are two pixels next to each other between the rungs of the ladder, and a single pixel somewhere near the top.

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Tyranicus
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 written Friday, December 9 2005 03:03 Profile Homepage #12
Alright. I didn't zoom in, so I thought the 2 pixels were one pixel.

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Thuryl
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 written Friday, December 9 2005 14:50 Profile Homepage #13
We've had the discussion about lossless JPEG before. The JPEG 2000 standard (which supports lossless compression) isn't well-supported, and regular JPEG at 100% quality isn't lossless. Just say no to JPEG.

GIF is hardly better, though, especially if your image editor spontaneously decides to use dithering to turn a perfectly good white background into a mess of white and pale grey. PNG is the way of the future.

[ Friday, December 09, 2005 14:54: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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Xoid
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 written Friday, December 9 2005 15:07 Profile #14
I know what you're saying Thuryl, it's just that I tend to trust people as far as I can throw them. I'm certain that people will continue to ignore commonsense, even with the forums' moratorium on using the JPEG format.

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Xoid
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Member # 932
 written Thursday, December 15 2005 17:35 Profile #15
Two bits of miscellaneous garbage first:
(1) I just realised that I'd probably have half my current post count if the forums came with a 'Bump Thread' facility. Said facility would be more othan abuse than not though.

(2) I thought passwords were supposed to be case sensitive? UBB didn't seem to care when I wrote all lower case, though. I tried twice just to be certain.

Now, to my actual question... which of the following two quoted pieces of information is correct?

quote:
From the Blades Of Avernum Scenario Editor Instructions:
Each dialogue script can have up to 200 nodes, numbered 0 to 199.
quote:
From Dealing with the Dead's tbasedlg.txt:
// This is the dialogue for this town.
// You can use states numbered from 1 to 199.
I notice that Kelandon's Bahssikava says from the same thing, but 'from 1 to 99'. I have the very strong feeling that the official documentation is actually right for a change. And what Jeff wrote in tbasedlg.txt erroneously mentioned states, instead of nodes.

Or am I confused here? Are both correct and you can have nodes from 0 to 199, but a particular node's state can only range from 1 to 199?

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Niemand
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 written Thursday, December 15 2005 19:42 Profile Homepage #16
You can use up to 199, though I'm surprised if you actually have a use for that many nodes, since as far as I know, the longest dialog script anyone has actually used yet was around 90 nodes.

As far as I know, the state can be any positive integer within reason.

'Dealing with the Dead' ? That just has an odd ring to it.

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Xoid
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Member # 932
 written Thursday, December 15 2005 19:51 Profile #17
shrugs shoulders...

Diplomacy with the Dead, Dealing with the Dead, what's the difference? Close enough.

@Niemand:
Thanks for the confirmation on the nodes/states thing. I thought the doc's were right for once.

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Kelandon
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 written Thursday, December 15 2005 21:30 Profile Homepage #18
Literally all of my scripts are copied from a base that came originally from one of Jeff's scripts, so if they contained errors, my scripts will duplicate the errors.

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Slith Lord
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 written Friday, December 16 2005 05:19 Profile Homepage #19
Normally Jeff uses the 0-?(255) counting system for every Spidweb game, so why not there!? :confused:

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Smoo-Cow
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 written Friday, December 16 2005 05:52 Profile Homepage #20
quote:
Originally written by Niemand:

You can use up to 199, though I'm surprised if you actually have a use for that many nodes, since as far as I know, the longest dialog script anyone has actually used yet was around 90 nodes.
I'm pretty sure I used well over a hundred nodes in Grimson in Backwater Calls and I wasn't even trying. So I'm pretty sure I'll be crying about how there aren't enough nodes allowed per town in the future.

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Xoid
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Member # 932
 written Thursday, December 22 2005 20:45 Profile #21
Does BoA hate me, or something? I've tried:make_town_hostile();set_crime_tolerance(1);
THEN Committing murder.set_crime_tolerance(1);
THEN Committing theft.set_crime_tolerance(1);
change_crime_level(2);set_town_status(current_town(),2);In every case, town_status(current_town()); has only returned a zero.
sigh.
This one is just ****ting me.

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Thuryl
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 written Thursday, December 22 2005 20:58 Profile Homepage #22
The town_status() call is partially broken. You have to call town_status(-1) to return the status of the current town, and you can't use it to return the status of a town that the party isn't currently in.

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wz. As
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 written Friday, December 23 2005 09:46 Profile #23
quote:
Originally written by Thuryl:

The town_status() call is partially broken. You have to call town_status(-1) to return the status of the current town, and you can't use it to return the status of a town that the party isn't currently in.
Unless you use town_status(-1) while outdoors, in which case it returns the status of the last town you were in.

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