Response to Community Suggestion List
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Board Administrator
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written Monday, September 27 2004 09:28
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I've finally gotten through the whole community suggestions list. There's a lot of good stuff in there, and a lot of things I needed to know. Thank you for all of the work that went into it. I'm about to leave on a vacation. (Don't ask how long it's been since the last one.) When I get back, I will go through the bugs section again and come up with new versions of Windows and Mac BoA. Some of those bugs are new to me and some have been fixed (like the forcecage in town mode problem) but haven't been made public yet. As for a new scenario format, right now my plate is very full. I need to finish the Geneforge 3 and Avernum 4 engines and get them to my two employees, who are in urgent need of stuff to do. I need to keep working with my editor on the book I have coming out this spring. And, of course, vacation. But I will look at the new features, work out who long it would take to code and test them, and see what I can do about them. Thanks again for all of the work. I'll start translating it into reality soon. - Jeff Vogel Spiderweb Software http://www.spiderwebsoftware.com [ Monday, September 27, 2004 09:29: Message edited by: Spidweb ] Posts: 960 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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Post Navel Trauma ^_^
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written Monday, September 27 2004 10:17
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quote: quote::P -------------------- Barcoorah: I even did it to a big dorset ram. desperance.net - Don't follow this link Posts: 1798 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Mongolian Barbeque
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written Monday, September 27 2004 10:24
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quote:Hope you have a nice vacation! Do lots and lots of absolutely nothing! I can't even imagine how exahausted you must be after creating and endlessly tinkering with BoA. quote:That sounds interesting — could we be given any more details? Is it fiction, or maybe a programming manual? Posts: 907 | Registered: Monday, July 15 2002 07:00 |
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Post Navel Trauma ^_^
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written Monday, September 27 2004 10:34
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The book is the story of the baby. -------------------- Barcoorah: I even did it to a big dorset ram. desperance.net - Don't follow this link Posts: 1798 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Monday, September 27 2004 10:37
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quote: quote: quote: quote:There is no God. Posts: 2862 | Registered: Tuesday, October 2 2001 07:00 |
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BANNED
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written Monday, September 27 2004 11:00
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[ Thursday, September 30, 2004 07:11: Message edited by: Lutra Lutra ] -------------------- The Great Mister kommari@gmail.com[/url] Posts: 417 | Registered: Sunday, June 27 2004 07:00 |
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written Monday, September 27 2004 12:08
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These suggestions- especially the top priorities- are truly desired by the designing community. Remember, the two hours it takes you for each feature will really improve the scenarios that get put out. If nothing, you can give "work experience" to some desperate, voluptuous programming intern at the price of oval office encounters. (Preferably not in the presence of Hillary Kriszan... ;) ) [ Monday, September 27, 2004 12:09: Message edited by: Corrigere ] -------------------- * Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Monday, September 27 2004 12:28
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Jeff, I (and I'm sure every other BoA player and designer feels the same way) am happy to hear that you will look at our list of bugs and consider our suggestions. The promise of a new version to fix these bugs gives me a great deal of hope for BoA's future. I look forward to seeing what you will do. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Tuesday, February 8 2005 18:36
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Your wrong. I'm a BoA player/designer. I'm not happy to hear this. I'm astounded. I'm amazed. I'm in awe. It's beyond happy ;) Posts: 125 | Registered: Friday, February 13 2004 08:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Tuesday, February 8 2005 19:04
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Well, those feelings would have some sort of basis if these promises weren't very old and still unfufilled. -------------------- Rate my scenarios! Areni Revenge To Live in Fear Deadly Goblins Ugantan Nightmare Isle of Boredom Posts: 1423 | Registered: Sunday, October 7 2001 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Tuesday, February 8 2005 19:55
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When I saw this topic dredged back up, I thought Jeff gave us another announcement. Oh well. I wonder if Jeff is ever going to do these things. Some of those calls are incredibly useful, but he might be too lazy to do anything except correct his own mistakes. -------------------- Thuryl: I mean, most of us don't go around consuming our own bodily fluids, no matter how delicious they are. ==== Alorael: War and violence would end if we all had each other's babies! ==== Drakefyre: Those are hideous mangos. Posts: 1415 | Registered: Thursday, March 27 2003 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Wednesday, February 9 2005 07:49
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You know, I really think the tone of a lot of these posts is very unhelpful. Jeff is not "lazy" if he doesn't get around to doing these things, he's just concentrating on the projects most likely to support his business and family. I mean, am I allowed to call you lazy if you don't drop everything and come spend a week building me a log cabin? The antaganism I see here over and over isn't going to accomplish anything. Jeff's not going to do what you want just because you insult him or claim that it'd be easy or important or whatever for him to do something. He's far more likely to be helpful if you treat him with respect and try to understand his situation. Childish namecalling and stomping of feet is far more likely to just put anything you say down on the lowest rung of the priority list. Posts: 62 | Registered: Thursday, January 20 2005 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Wednesday, February 9 2005 11:46
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calling names and such is useless, you got that right. but we are the ones who buy his projects and keep him on the business (and alive :-p), so basically wouldn't it be best for him to keep us quite satisfied? i'm a new member, have no idea how to create scenarios and bla bla, but i've been reading the past threads. those capable of designing adventures for me to play need jeff to fix stuff, so of course i want him to fix stuff up, too. why? because the things the designers want jeff to fix or add would allow them to create a greater variety of cool scripts and other scenario stuff, and that would of course be a good thing for us only interested in playing scenarios, too. now, i'm not saying he should focus on fixing these bugs only and drop the future projects. that would be foolish. if he just could take a few hours a few days of the week and instead of coding other projects, keep the current clients satisfied, hey, that would be the best for everybody. i'm not very good at expressing myself verbally, but i hope you understand what i mean. :-) [ Wednesday, February 09, 2005 11:49: Message edited by: kendl ] Posts: 73 | Registered: Saturday, December 25 2004 08:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Wednesday, February 9 2005 12:01
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Good customer service is good policy. Nothing complicated about that. DreamGuy, I see you've got pretty strong opinions. That's fine. But, by the same token, if you want us to change in any way, don't you think you should treat us with respect instead of calling us childish foot-stompers? [ Wednesday, February 09, 2005 12:03: Message edited by: The Creator ] -------------------- Rate my scenarios! Areni Revenge To Live in Fear Deadly Goblins Ugantan Nightmare Isle of Boredom Posts: 1423 | Registered: Sunday, October 7 2001 07:00 |
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written Wednesday, February 9 2005 12:06
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I'd also add that most of us are much more polite to Jeff in person than we are on these forums (note that as far as any of us can tell, he hasn't read these forums in months). Some people do feel a need to publicly express their disappointment, though. So far BoA's support has at least been better than BoE's, but that's not saying much. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Wednesday, February 9 2005 15:24
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I do think this is kind of sad, though: several months ago, I made a scenario to demonstrate bugs that I had discovered in BoA. I tested it with v1.1 (or possibly v1.0, don't remember) of BoA, and everything checked out: all things malfunctioned just as I described in the in-game pop-up menus and in the in-script commentary. I sent this scenario to Jeff with a list of bugs. He then released v1.1.1 some time after that. I tested this scenario recently with v1.1.1, and everything still malfunctions just as before. I admit that the bugs that I found were minor, but I followed all possible proper procedure, and he ignored them on the subsequent patch. I also find it a bit annoying that he didn't tell us which bugs he thought he fixed for v1.1.1 that we reported from v1.1.0. Now we have to go back and check everything. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Wednesday, February 9 2005 20:55
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When he's doing this all in his free time for fun and letting everyone look at it for free, and then doesn't fix problems, it's because he's busy. When we pay for it and he doesn't fix things, it's because he's lazy, and it's bad for buisness, too. -------------------- I often quote myself. It adds spice to my conversation. - George Bernard Shaw Posts: 103 | Registered: Sunday, June 20 2004 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Thursday, February 10 2005 18:31
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Argh, this IS an old topic isnt it. Stupid forum glitch reported it as being a week old. Hmph. Either way......if Jeff won't/cant fix the problem, why cant we? Surely someone who plays this game has the technical know-how. Posts: 125 | Registered: Friday, February 13 2004 08:00 |
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written Thursday, February 10 2005 18:58
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For us to fix the bugs in BoA, BoA would need to be open source. It isn't; only the editor is. All the pens in the world won't help you if the paper you're writing on is full of holes. [ Thursday, February 10, 2005 18:59: Message edited by: Sagieuleaux ] -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Friday, February 11 2005 16:58
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Jeff really needs a part time worker that fixes minor bugs and adds support to the games. [ Friday, February 11, 2005 16:58: Message edited by: VCH ] -------------------- The Knight Between Posts. Posts: 2395 | Registered: Friday, November 2 2001 08:00 |