Rebellion

AuthorTopic: Rebellion
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I just finished the valley of dieing things scenario and finished this one. After leaving the town you start in I went looking around and found the abandoned fort just north of town. I cleared it out and killed the drake thing and ended up getting the papers for another quest. Well I go to Willow to talk to that Jean guy for the first time and they yelled at me for doing a Hill Runner quest and told me to take the papers back to them anyways. Well I couldn't get them to finish the starting quest and I didn't know where to go at all so I left the scenario and re-entered and now I'm at the part where I do need the papers but I don't want to do the fort again and get the extra money and exp. So does anyone know what number I type in in the character editor to get the papers just placed in my inventory?
Posts: 4 | Registered: Thursday, April 14 2005 07:00
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Nevermind I tried guessing and kept reloading untill I eventually found it, thanks anyways.
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Hi.
If they yell at you, no problem, everything in this scenario seems to be done so that you turn on the side of the rebels : poor peasants are enslaved and punished if they don't do their quotas for the Volpe one, their farmland was "stolen" by the empire, those poor peasant run through dangerous and hydra's infested swamps to get healing herbs, etc, etc...
On the other side, as Bleueden says, empire is laughing at you, yelling at you, taxing you, refusing you to pass, treating you with words likes "you fools!" and so on. Except to things : the empire patrol guided by rebel false info to its death in the Swampfolk pit and the lone NPC rebel in willow, everything in this scenario seems to be done so that you turn on the side of the rebels : where is the announced "hard choice to make" in the scenario presentation ?
Posts: 31 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00
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Well, on the other hand, the Hill Runners slaughter travelling merchants for supplies, and they're pretty ruthless with anyone they see as an enemy -- perhaps more so than the Empire. One might be tempted to suggest that the only reason they haven't been guilty of violence and oppression on the same scale as the Empire is that they haven't yet had the power to do so.

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I agree with Thuryl. I found the Hill Runners to be completely morally insupportable.

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Did you all turn on the Empire side ?
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I turned on the Empire side because it's just plain easier- after I slew Stalker, though, I also killed Jean in those underground docks.
So I essentially joined neither side.

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I prefer the Empire side both morally and in terms of gameplay.

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As do I. While both the Empire and the Hill Runners are immoral, the Empire paid me to go there and fix their problems, while the Hill Runners didn't.
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quote:
Originally written by Papa Donatus II:

I turned on the Empire side because it's just plain easier- after I slew Stalker, though, I also killed Jean in those underground docks.
So I essentially joined neither side.

That's actually pretty cool. Curseds, why didn't I think of that. :)

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Posts: 45 | Registered: Tuesday, September 21 2004 07:00
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When I played the BoE version, it was a tough moral decision, and I ended up siding with the Empire. For one thing, at least the Empire provides some sort of order, whereas with the Hill Runners in charge, there would just be chaos. For another, with Volpe dead, there was hope that the Empire might take a less harsh approach in the future.

In the BoA version, I just didn't care.

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Posts: 1861 | Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00
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Well, if we're gonna reason in circles, we could just as easily conclude that because the imperial regime depends for its survival on conditions that cannot but provoke social instability, it, and not the rebels, is the force of disorder. And, anyway, doesn't Vogel's tatty old lesson in ambiguity require that the two sides mirror each other? I don't remember a heck of a lot of anarchy within the ranks of the rebellion or the territory it held. But there you go: anything that claims the name of government must be on the side of order, and whatever is, is right.

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Posts: 265 | Registered: Saturday, December 29 2001 08:00
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What?

I just can't see the Hill Runners keeping an economy together in any way, and their approach to law and order would be worse.

Sure, the Empire's bad, but I think it's the lesser of the two evils.

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The Empire is the here, the now, the forever. How could one side with the destroyers of society. It's not like the rebels were oppressed. Is it?

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Posts: 2395 | Registered: Friday, November 2 2001 08:00
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Hi !
After posting yesterday, I have finished the scenario and I was laughing today as I was reading everyone !
I also killed Je An after killing Stalker.
As it's written on the ending screen things are the same as when it started.
So beat !
Nevertheless, I did not like this island and I did find apathic Canizar ( or something like that, I mean the wizard to contact in Liam ).
I also think that when someone hires your services and when you accept, you can give up but you can't betray.
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Both sides are really morally lacking. I sided with the rebels because despite thier flaws I saw a small chance of them improving conditions if they won, while the empire would just take things back to the way they were which was not good at all.

Of course I definatly see where people can say that the rebels wouldn't be better leaders or prehaps even worse leaders. But its just a game, and I don't try to worry about such things to much.
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And what's the ending like when you turn on the side of the rebels ?
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After you kill Jaen, Stalker boots you off the island, supposedly because you're useless to the rebellion now that the Empire knows you're on their side. He also seems to be worried that you're a threat to his power.

[ Friday, April 29, 2005 15:40: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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I haven't played the BoA version of this scenario yet. What's different about the BoA ASR that makes the moral decision easier than it was in BoE?

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Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00
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The scenario isn't as much fun in BoA, so you don't care as much about the decision. :P

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Thuryl - The other way around, actually. :P It didn't make me care, and therefore was not as much fun.

For whatever reason, BoA's ASR did not involve me. Maybe it was because I'd already played the BoE version twice. Maybe it's because I'm more jaded. Maybe it was the 'improvements' that pulled me out of it. Maybe it was just the graphics and the system. Maybe it was a combination of all the above.

Whatever the reason, I wasn't drawn in. I didn't care about the choice, because I knew - and more importantly, I felt - that there was no choice. Both paths exist, it's just a case of which you decide to look at. I couldn't care less about the serfs, because I was never able to see them as anything more than a couple of lines of text and a graphic.

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SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice.
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BoA can easily do many more things that would directly relate to the action of ASR, so one would expect a good cutscene in Zaskiva and various other improvements. BoA's ASR lacks these improvements. Therefore it is relatively worse.

That is, BoA's ASR is worse relative to what BoA can do than BoE's ASR is.

That said, I really don't like the Empire and chose to side with the rebels almost instantly. So soon, in fact, that the plotline couldn't handle it and pretended that I was still working for the Empire for another quest.

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Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
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quote:
Originally written by Kelandon:

That said, I really don't like the Empire and chose to side with the rebels almost instantly. So soon, in fact, that the plotline couldn't handle it and pretended that I was still working for the Empire for another quest.
Well, if you were siding with the rebels that soon, it's questionable that your party would realistically have taken an assignment to put down a rebellion (that is, entered the scenario) in the first place. :P

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