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Millions of people die of preventable problems every year. We should be out there helping them instead of making pointless emotional appeals that won't change anything.

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My fellow members, I hope all of us are aware of the danger presented by populist appeals used by unscrupulous leaders to enflame the masses. These appeals often lead to restrictions on our rights and liberties as members of these forums and the society at large. I encourage all of you to join me in protecting our freedoms against such dangerous tactics. Let’s all work together to stop these populist appeals and other attacks on our free speech.

[ Monday, June 19, 2006 11:59: Message edited by: Zeviz ]

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I'll give you five dollars if you stop posting, okay?

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Maybe I am missing the point here, but I do not consider Hawking's comment about Nazi references a slippery slope argument. To me, what he is saying is awfully true; when people want to exaggerate, they go for the Hitler card.

But that is not what peaks my curiosity at the moment. Are the basic fallacies of logic and debate taught to most people who take a standard high school and college path without joining a debate team? Or does the topic just attract the elitists and the oratoricallly curious?

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quote:
Originally written by Khoth:

Millions of people die of preventable problems every year. We should be out there helping them instead of making pointless emotional appeals that won't change anything.
That's beautiful. :) SoT's was great as well.

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quote:
Originally written by Garrison:

But that is not what peaks my curiosity at the moment. Are the basic fallacies of logic and debate taught to most people who take a standard high school and college path without joining a debate team? Or does the topic just attract the elitists and the oratoricallly curious?
Those, and practically anyone on discussion boards. Whenever you are in a serious debate on the internet, you can expect to have fallacy accusations thrown at you as if you were talking to philosophers. :P

That said, I did get basics of logic in high school, in a required subject ("Theory of Knowledge").

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I learned them in my mandatory college speech course, Intro to Technical Presentations.

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By Garrison:
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But that is not what peaks my curiosity at the moment. Are the basic fallacies of logic and debate taught to most people who take a standard high school and college path without joining a debate team? Or does the topic just attract the elitists and the oratoricallly curious?
Why must you ask rhetorical questions?

edit: cAPS.

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[ Monday, June 19, 2006 19:06: Message edited by: Dintiradan ]
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Ahh, what a wonderful thing it is, then, that many now know how to formally deconstruct others' arguments while offering no solutions themselves. I still feel the need to reiterate my point though: the Hitler card is too overused and it does preclude imagination and creativity. Too many amateur stories end with Nazis taking over the world.

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Thuryl: I mean, most of us don't go around consuming our own bodily fluids, no matter how delicious they are.
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Alorael: War and violence would end if we all had each other's babies!
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Drakefyre: Those are hideous mangos.
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Stop the violence, or I'll blow these boards to bits!

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Why oh why do people insist on posting in discussion topics in a way that adds nothing to the argument but simply boosts their post count?

Why do they ask rhetorical questions which are fundamentally empty and almost invariably ultimately missplet?

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because (a) THEY think it does
(b) THEY want/need to add to their post count and so look for oppportunities to do so
(c) THEY don't reflect on their argument but instead create an immediate response to something they just read
(d) THEY are looking to clarify a point not just expand on it
(e) many other plausible reasons exist.

Rhetorical questions often invite debate on a topic.

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Sometimes a discussion slows to stagnation without the addition of newcomers, however irrelevant their actual input might be. They help spur the topic, often in new directions.

The trick is not merely to be able to add ultimately meaningless drivel to a discussion, but rather to do so in a way that disguises the palaver as something useful and profound.

QED.

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Thuryl: I mean, most of us don't go around consuming our own bodily fluids, no matter how delicious they are.
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Alorael: War and violence would end if we all had each other's babies!
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Drakefyre: Those are hideous mangos.
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