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Agent
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written Thursday, April 6 2006 13:15
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Malfador Machinations It's deep y'all. [ Thursday, April 06, 2006 13:17: Message edited by: stranger ] -------------------- DONOR Fat Freddys Drop Shirow Miwa Posts: 1112 | Registered: Friday, July 19 2002 07:00 |
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Master
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written Thursday, April 6 2006 14:17
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Yay, Easter. The time to celebrate the resurrection of Christ. Usually I just go to church like normal and hide Easter eggs and eat chocolate. -------------------- -ben4808 Posts: 3360 | Registered: Friday, June 25 2004 07:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Thursday, April 6 2006 14:31
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Why do so many non-Jews like matzah? -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Thursday, April 6 2006 14:36
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Because it's tasty. I like it in ball form, in soup. -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Thursday, April 6 2006 14:51
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quote:I can't resist. The birth of Jesus of Nazareth is only likely to have happened in late spring if you're inclined to believe the whole Jesus-birth story, and I tend to think that only the classically ill-informed or those whose religions have convinced them to believe something would actually believe the wise-men thing. Consider accounts of the birth of Augustus from a time roughly contemporary to the New Testament, for instance, as evidence that such birthing stories were frequently completely fabricated. With regard to Easter, I suspect that my practice on that day will much more nearly reflect contemporary American practice than anything even remotely religious, although it might be an interesting time to read the Greek New Testament's accounts of the crucifixion and compare them. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Thursday, April 6 2006 19:35
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quote:What's even more amusing are the people who not only believe that the wise-men came to honor Jesus, but that there were 3 of them and that they came on Christmas Eve. :P -------------------- "You're drinking liquor because you're thirsty? How nasty is your freaking water?" —Lazarus Spiderweb Chat Room Avernum RP • Summaries • OoC • Roster Shadow Vale - My site, home of the Spiderweb Chat Database, BoA Scenario Database, & the A1 Quest List, among other things. Posts: 1556 | Registered: Sunday, November 20 2005 08:00 |
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Dollop of Whipped Cream
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written Thursday, April 6 2006 20:51
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quote:I resent that. We never had Santa in Dom. Rep. However, for some unknown reason we had the three kings/magi/or whatever is said in English. It's even a national holiday and all. I stopped believing they were real at age six, but it's still darn cute to watch my current 8 year old cousin get so hipped up about them. [ Thursday, April 06, 2006 20:52: Message edited by: Dominican Desire ] -------------------- "Tyranicus is about the only one that still posts in the Nethergate Forum." —Randomizer Spiderweb Chat Room Shadow Vale - My site, home of the Spiderweb Chat Database, BoA Scenario Database, & the A1 Quest List, among other things. Posts: 562 | Registered: Friday, December 14 2001 08:00 |
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E Equals MC What!!!!
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written Thursday, April 6 2006 22:53
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I believe that Tyranicus was referring to the fact that believing those things reflects a rather amusing ignorance of the Biblical account, even if you do accept the Bible as the infallible truth. -------------------- SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice. Posts: 1861 | Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Thursday, April 6 2006 23:11
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I get a four-day holiday. Woot for me. -------------------- I'll put a Spring in your step. :ph34r: Posts: 2396 | Registered: Saturday, January 29 2005 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Friday, April 7 2006 02:30
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i get a 2 week holoday...only ment to have 1.5 weeks but the extra 4 days means that we get 2 weeks :D yay me :P Posts: 80 | Registered: Wednesday, March 29 2006 08:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Friday, April 7 2006 07:21
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The "three wise men" approach as ritualized in Spanish-speaking countries makes far more sense to me than the American version. Santa seems about as random as the Easter Bunny. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Friday, April 7 2006 10:11
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You've never heard of St. Nicholas, Kel? He was a real person who helped impoverished children. In Europe (correct me if I'm an infomred American :P ) they say he comes on St. NIcholas's Day (December 6th), as opposed to Christmas Eve. -------------------- "You're drinking liquor because you're thirsty? How nasty is your freaking water?" —Lazarus Spiderweb Chat Room Avernum RP • Summaries • OoC • Roster Shadow Vale - My site, home of the Spiderweb Chat Database, BoA Scenario Database, & the A1 Quest List, among other things. Posts: 1556 | Registered: Sunday, November 20 2005 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Friday, April 7 2006 10:24
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quote: quote:Yeah, what stranger said. There's only three real companies that I buy games from, Activision, Spiderweb, and Malfador. Space Empries 4 is one of the best strategy games for windows around at the moment, right up until Se5 comes out, even if you don't like space games. Turn based fun and galactic happenings - Heaven. - Archmagus Micael P.S. I was not in any way advising people to all suddenly download the demo. I was just telling them what it was. Besides, its a windows game only. -------------------- "You dare Trifle with Avernum?" ~ Erika the Archmage -------------------- My Scenarios: Undead Valley : A small Undead problem, what could possibly go wrong? -------------------- Richard Black - PROOF of his existance (the Infernal one's website). -------------------- MY FORUM! Randomosity at it's highest! :) Posts: 1370 | Registered: Thursday, June 10 2004 07:00 |
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Electric Sheep One
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written Friday, April 7 2006 11:45
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quote:I'd be interested to learn your conclusions. It's a very interesting story, with quite a few rather odd details. It actually says a lot for the early Christians' concern with authenticity, that four distinct versions of the story were faithfully kept, rather than being merged into one official account. And even on the most sceptical reading, none of the versions seems all that much embroidered. Even the resurrection is recorded in such indirect and prosaic ways that one tends to think that something odd must really have happened, even if it was just a bizarre accident or conspiracy, rather than assuming it was entirely made up. There is lots of room to criticise details or speculate about omissions, but there seems no reason to discard the passion narratives as complete fabrications. And that makes them a uniquely detailed ancient record of some events that, whatever they really were, turned out to be of disproportionate historical importance. The part of the story I don't understand is why Jesus didn't just loudly disclaim any interest in overthrowing Roman rule, and live to preach another day. The whole New Testament consistently disavows politics, and one has the impression that Jesus could have beaten the rebel rap in complete honesty. Somehow this doesn't seem to have been an option, but I don't understand why not. The closest I can come is to suppose that, by the time he got as far as being accused, an apolitical stance wouldn't have been good enough for the Romans: perhaps he would only have gotten off by explicitly endorsing Roman rule, and that he couldn't do. -------------------- We're not doing cool. We're doing pretty. Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Friday, April 7 2006 12:30
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quote:He existed, yes, but getting from the historical Saint Nick to the popular conception of Santa takes some creative historical narration ("making things up") in traditional style of the medieval hagiographers, as well as some standard American bastardization. SoT: I suppose Good Friday is as good a time as any to start going over the texts. I'll have findings by Easter itself. It's sort of amusing to consider the recently-revealed Gospel of Judas, though: by one account, at least, Jesus wanted to be betrayed and crucified. [ Friday, April 07, 2006 16:28: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Friday, April 7 2006 12:54
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Ah, yes. The Gospel of Judas. I'll be putting it next to the Gospel of Thomas, the Gospel of Peter, and the Gospel of Mary. Does anyone know how old this one is? I quickly skimmed over an article, and it said something like 400 AD. -------------------- (Due to my getting four hours of sleep last night, I will not be placing a topic-related quote. The good news is that I'll never have to write an English essay again!) Posts: 1509 | Registered: Tuesday, January 10 2006 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Friday, April 7 2006 13:09
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Perhaps Dante was wrong and Judas no longer belongs in the devil's mouth. -------------------- The Knight Between Posts. Posts: 2395 | Registered: Friday, November 2 2001 08:00 |
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Electric Sheep One
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written Friday, April 7 2006 13:09
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Yeah, I just heard about this new gnostic gospel, though the story said it has been around for thirty years or so, just not recognized by scholars. It will be cool to see what this one is like. It doesn't seem to be anything fundamentally new; it sounds pretty standardly Docetic. Patristic literature has lots of references to books that (according to the people whose views became established as orthodox) hijacked the names and stories of Christianity for otherwise alien philosophies. I think of early Christianity as one of the first human attempts at a trans-cultural religion, and I guess it shouldn't be surprising that there were security issues. If anyone can be a Christian, who gets to say what is Christian? From my reading of a few patristic sources, this early 'spoofing problem' would seem to be responsible for the hierarchical structure of the early Christian church, and for the oddly un-harmonized canon of Christian scripture. A spoof of the Word of God is a serious trusted system problem. The third-to-fourth century solution was to recognize books on provenance, rather than content. Today, whatever independent information about provenance was once available is long lost. On the other hand, centuries have established the look and feel of the orthodox Christian brand, and it's easy now to recognize something that doesn't fit. What value do any of these ancient documents, the orthodox canon included, have as evidence about what actually occurred? That's a whole different question, of course. FWIW my personal answer is, Enough to support belief, not enough to compel it. -------------------- We're not doing cool. We're doing pretty. Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Friday, April 7 2006 13:21
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quote:I actually agree with this to a point. Jesus as a man did not want to undergo such physical pain and humiliation, but as God he did want to provide a perfect sacrifice for mankind to be redeemed. In fact I'd say that the other gospels also agree with this account. At the passover feast Jesus said that someone would betray him. In John, he told Judas to do quickly what he was going to do. If Jesus really didn't want to be betrayed he could have stopped Judas then, or just fled Jerusalem. Of course he could have beaten the rebel rap, but living to preach another day was not what he had come for. re: Discrepancies in the Bible. True, the events surrounding Jesus' life and death are described differently in the four gospels but it's all in the secondary details. It's the difference between an optimist and a pessimist describing the same thing. Is the glass half full or half empty? Neither is really wrong. I suppose if all four gospels were identical in all their minutiae, that would have raised the suspicion of plagiarism. [ Friday, April 07, 2006 13:38: Message edited by: Jewels ] -------------------- "Even the worst Terror from Hell can be transformed to a testimony from Heaven!" - Rev. David Wood 6\23\05 "Do all the good you can, by all the means you can, in all the ways you can, in all the places you can, at all the times you can, to all the people you can, as long as you ever can." - John Wesley Posts: 1001 | Registered: Tuesday, August 19 2003 07:00 |
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