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I agree with you Andrew. But post-grad work like law school isn't college. It may be what college used to be like 100 years ago, but that isn't what it is now. I personnally have a very specialized degree in Forestry. I spent some money to get it, but the real world looked at that piece of paper and said "huh, and what experience do you have?" If I had been instead able to say "I don't have any degree, but I've helped to manage a tree farm since I was allowed on the back of a skidder." I might have made the grade. Alternatively, I could have ignored sunk costs and spent even more money to get a Masters degree. I would have seen a pretty good ROI on that decision, but I couldn't get beyond the sunk cost issue.

So yeah, folks that go that extra distance usually do come out with more money, and if that is the ultimate goal, then all the power to you.
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Wowsers, this topic has really taken off. :eek:

We now come to the question: what is/is going to be your degree? Astronomy, physics, and/or programming for me.

I like all those slashes/divide by signs. :P / :D

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Hopefully, my degree will be in programming. But graduation for me is three years away, so it might change. I don't think it will, but it might.

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I'm going for a Management degree. I'm leaning towards Hotel Management, but I haven't decided.
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Mine will be in medicine, but I have not yet decided on an exact path.

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I mean to graduate college with Integrative Biology degree and then pursue a masters in zoology or something along that line, to the end of becoming a zookeeper. Of course, failing out of school has kind of thrown a wrench into the plan, but I feel that a year of full-time work might imbue me with the needed increase in responsibility to finish my final year of college.

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Classical Languages (Greek and Latin), with a minor in Physics, intending to apply to law school. The minor in Physics is getting a little less likely, though: I've had three terrible physics classes in a row, and unless the next one is any good, I'm not going to continue.

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What were these three terrible physics courses, and what was terrible about them? I'd like to know because I may be teaching similar courses in the future.

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It was the full run of lower div physics: mechanics, E &M, bits of thermo and optics, and basic relativity and quantum, basically duplicating AP Physics.

What made them terrible was that the teachers never adhered to the basic physics method, which is to explain the concepts, give the general equation, and then show how the general equation can be used to solve problems. We were not at any point taught how to solve problems, and only one of our books actually had any instructions about doing so. One teacher loved going off on tangential discussions. Another loved derivations. A third... well... he never made any sense at all, so it didn't really matter.

Their reviews for mid-terms and finals tended to be inadequate; all I really wanted was a sheet of equations, not to do the derivations over again. The important derivations should be done in class once and, if they are not in the book, handed out in paper form or posted online.

The books were on the whole atrocious. Purcell's E & M book is annoying in the extreme since it has no worked examples. None. Zero. Tipler's Modern Physics book is slightly better, but it still suffers from a dearth of examples, and I thought it had rather inadequate chapter summaries, a problem exacerbated by the poor organization of the chapters — I could never find the equation that I was looking for. I spent twenty minutes paging through it knowing that I was looking for the relativistic Law of Addition of Velocities. K & K's mechanics book (the MIT one) is similarly annoying. The only book I could stand was the Giancoli one — that one I actually liked a lot.

Lab never had anything to do with what we were studying, and generally it consisted of: "Connect black box A to black box B and read off the numbers. Then plug them into equation C, which you have never seen before, and see how close the number you get out matches up with fundamental constant D, which you don't know anything about."

But I guess what really killed it was that we never learned how to solve problems at all but then were asked to do so on tests.

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I used to have a physics teacher that would write down half of the equation and go: "you'll finish it up later", or "You could take it from me". God it annoyed the hell out of me. Teachers are supposed to teach, I mean they get paid to do so, yet they feel as if it wasn't necessary.
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I'm probably going to get a degree in Biology or General sciences. Then maybe get my teaching degree. Then teach in Nunavut. Either that or I'll try dentistry out, that is if I can get in. The DAT might be a pain. UBC only accepts 40 dentistry students a year too so who knows. If I do get into a dental program the Canadian forces will be paying my bills thank you.

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What would it be like to be taught how to solve physics problems? Just going through some examples?

How many examples would do the trick? Would it have to be one worked-through example of every conceivable type of question that could be on an exam? If so, wouldn't that defeat much of the purpose of the problems? If not, just what is it that going through examples is supposed to do?

Didn't you have a lot of homework problems, to practice solving problems before getting to exams?

I'm not being defensive -- I really want to know what you mean when you complain about not being taught how to solve problems. Somehow I never had this complaint myself, and I don't remember going through a lot worked examples. But I don't know whether this was because my first few physics courses were really good and I just didn't realize what was good about them, or because the style of thinking needed for physics problems came naturally to me, or what.

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I was gunning for Software Engineering, but according to U of T, I'm not 1337 enough, so now I'm double majoring in Computer Science and Math.

Oh, and I personally do not recommend a math major, unless you feel a direct relationship between happiness and integration. Or something similar. Or you're that good at math.

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One must be shown how to drive a car not simply told how the motor functions. Physics=same.

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quote:
Wise Trampling Frenzy wrote:
Oh, and I personally do not recommend a math major, unless you feel a direct relationship between happiness and integration.
Mathematicians scare me. Even though i was always good at it in school. There is no happiness in integration. Just... no.

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Sometimes I like math. When I keep working with it and understand it, math isn't so bad.

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SoT, you don't have to explain every conceivable problem ever, but you should at least explain one conceivable problem with each major equation. Deriving Schrodinger's Equation is great, but having seen the derivation sort of doesn't help when you're trying to solve for the wave equation of a particle in a finite square well if you haven't seen any application of it ever.

Yes, there were homework problems, but I did not once solve a homework problem independently during the entirety of my first two physics courses at Cal. I simply did not ever have the right equations or the right tools.

Bear in mind that I got A's in these classes. Something was direly wrong.

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Hmmm, that does sound bad.

Hey, I wish I knew how to derive Schroedinger's Equation, though! As far as I know, it's an axiom :) .

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*digs through his notes* The derivation has to do with... the E=hf equation that comes from the photoelectric effect, the de Broglie equation p=h/lambda, and... uh... nope, I can't understand my notes anymore. But there was a derivation.

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Originally written by Student of Trinity:

Hmmm, that does sound bad.

Hey, I wish I knew how to derive Schroedinger's Equation, though! As far as I know, it's an axiom :) .

Used to be. A bunch of statisticians recently derived it by applying statistical laws, as I recall.

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I don't believe it. I've been a bit busy teaching lately, but I've been doing this stuff professionally for a dozen years or so, I know most everybody in the foundations of QM field, and I like to think I'd have heard about something like that almost immediately if it were really true.

I can imagine any number of things that might get spun as 'deriving Schroedinger's equation', but they would all amount to putting it in by hand surreptitiously.

I'd be delighted to be corrected on this, though, if you have a reference.

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I have 1 huge piece of advice for the people who are planning to get degrees in computer programming, CS, CS + Math, or any other similar thing:
Don't bother.

I got a degree like this 1.5 years ago and I still don't have a programming job, despite my Berkeley degrees in EECS and Applied Math, with some work experience and decent GPA. (I've given up on programming and got a SQA job instead.) Several of the people I know aren't doing much better.

Don't get me wrong, if you've been programming computers since you've learned to read and have dreamt your entire life of working at Google, go for it. But if you simply "like computers" or want to get in on a hot field, I'd suggest trying something else.

PS Kelandon, which physics classes did you take, the physics 7 series or physics 8 series?

I personally prefer derivations, rather than problem solving in my classes, because any computer (and even some calculators) can solve the problems for you, given the formulas. Deriving these formulas and seeing how they interact is the fun part.

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Whoa, Zeviz. It's been a while. Uh, hi there.

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What we did was more or less like this, although a tad more rigorous (but not by much). This doesn't look like a real derivation, but I can't pinpoint why.

EDIT: Zeviz, I took H7A, H7B, and 7C. And I would've been fine focusing on derivations if that's what we were graded on, but it seems wrong to focus on one thing in class and then grade on something fairly different.

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