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Thornton in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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thanks, actually i' m on the rebel side. I will try again

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Thornton in Geneforge 4: Rebellion
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Cannot find a way to go through thornoton and west barrier zone.
Glaahk are always killing me, any advice?

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Posts: 12 | Registered: Saturday, November 5 2005 08:00
Israel - Lebanon conflict in General
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Profile #48
quote:
Who started?

By Gideon Levy

"We left Gaza and they are firing Qassams" - there is no more precise a formulation of the prevailing view about the current round of the conflict. "They started," will be the routine response to anyone who tries to argue, for example, that a few hours before the first Qassam fell on the school in Ashkelon, causing no damage, Israel sowed destruction at the Islamic University in Gaza.

Israel is causing electricity blackouts, laying sieges, bombing and shelling, assassinating and imprisoning, killing and wounding civilians, including children and babies, in horrifying numbers, but "they started."

They are also "breaking the rules" laid down by Israel: We are allowed to bomb anything we want and they are not allowed to launch Qassams. When they fire a Qassam at Ashkelon, that's an "escalation of the conflict," and when we bomb a university and a school, it's perfectly alright. Why? Because they started. That's why the majority thinks that all the justice is on our side. Like in a schoolyard fight, the argument about who started is Israel's winning moral argument to justify every injustice.

So, who really did start? And have we "left Gaza?"

Israel left Gaza only partially, and in a distorted manner. The disengagement plan, which was labeled with fancy titles like "partition" and "an end to the occupation," did result in the dismantling of settlements and the Israel Defense Forces' departure from Gaza, but it did almost nothing to change the living conditions for the residents of the Strip. Gaza is still a prison and its inhabitants are still doomed to live in poverty and oppression. Israel closes them off from the sea, the air and land, except for a limited safety valve at the Rafah crossing. They cannot visit their relatives in the West Bank or look for work in Israel, upon which the Gazan economy has been dependent for some 40 years. Sometimes goods can be transported, sometimes not. Gaza has no chance of escaping its poverty under these conditions. Nobody will invest in it, nobody can develop it, nobody can feel free in it. Israel left the cage, threw away the keys and left the residents to their bitter fate. Now, less than a year after the disengagement, it is going back, with violence and force.

What could otherwise have been expected? That Israel would unilaterally withdraw, brutally and outrageously ignoring the Palestinians and their needs, and that they would silently bear their bitter fate and would not continue to fight for their liberty, livelihood and dignity? We promised a safe passage to the West Bank and didn't keep the promise. We promised to free prisoners and didn't keep the promise. We supported democratic elections and then boycotted the legally elected leadership, confiscating funds that belong to it, and declaring war on it. We could have withdrawn from Gaza through negotiations and coordination, while strengthening the existing Palestinian leadership, but we refused to do so. And now, we complain about "a lack of leadership?" We did everything we could to undermine their society and leadership, making sure as much as possible that the disengagement would not be a new chapter in our relationship with the neighboring nation, and now we are amazed by the violence and hatred that we sowed with our own hands.

What would have happened if the Palestinians had not fired Qassams? Would Israel have lifted the economic siege that it imposed on Gaza? Would it open the border to Palestinian laborers? Free prisoners? Meet with the elected leadership and conduct negotiations? Encourage investment in Gaza? Nonsense. If the Gazans were sitting quietly, as Israel expects them to do, their case would disappear from the agenda - here and around the world. Israel would continue with the convergence, which is solely meant to serve its goals, ignoring their needs. Nobody would have given any thought to the fate of the people of Gaza if they did not behave violently. That is a very bitter truth, but the first 20 years of the occupation passed quietly and we did not lift a finger to end it.

Instead, under cover of the quiet, we built the enormous, criminal settlement enterprise. With our own hands, we are now once again pushing the Palestinians into using the petty arms they have; and in response, we employ nearly the entire enormous arsenal at our disposal, and continue to complain that "they started."

We started. We started with the occupation, and we are duty-bound to end it, a real and complete ending. We started with the violence. There is no violence worse than the violence of the occupier, using force on an entire nation, so the question about who fired first is therefore an evasion meant to distort the picture. After Oslo, too, there were those who claimed that "we left the territories," in a similar mixture of blindness and lies.

Gaza is in serious trouble, ruled by death, horror and daily difficulties, far from the eyes and hearts of Israelis. We are only shown the Qassams. We only see the Qassams. The West Bank is still under the boot of occupation, the settlements are flourishing, and every limply extended hand for an agreement, including that of Ismail Haniyeh, is immediately rejected. And after all this, if someone still has second thoughts, the winning answer is promptly delivered: "They started." They started and justice is on our side, while the fact is that they did not start and justice is not with us.



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"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
Popular Mechanics, 1949
Posts: 12 | Registered: Saturday, November 5 2005 08:00
Israel - Lebanon conflict in General
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Who start with terrorisms in middle east?
quote:
Letters to the New York Times, December 4, 1948

New Palestine Party Visit of Menachem Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed

TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES

Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haberut), a political party closely akin inits organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, rightwing, chauvinist organizaiton in Palestine.

The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the ìmpression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcorne his. visit. It is inconceìvable that those who oppose fascism throughout: the world, if correcly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.

Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contibutions, public manifesfations in Begin's behalf and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the
American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.

The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they opcnly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.

ATTACK ON ARAB VILLAGE

A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peacefal village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants — 240 men, wornen, and children —- and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives tbrough the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it wideiy, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the generai havoc at Deir Yassin.

The Deir Yassim incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.

Within the Jewìsh community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and raciaì superionty. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destuction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian. Fascist model. During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewìsh community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute. The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detractced from the Jewìsh defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.

DISCREPANCIES SEEN

The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past perfomance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" in the goal.

In te light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign
against Begin's efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin. The undersigned therefore take this means of publiclv presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of
urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.

(signed)

ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZ, HANNAH ARENDT, ABRAHAM BRICK, RABBI JESSURUN CARDOZO,ALBERT EINSTEIN , HERMAN EISEN, M.D., HAYIM FINEMAN, M. GALLEN, M.D., H.H. HARRIS, ZELIG S. HARRIS, SIDNEY HOOK, FRED KARUSH, BRURIA KAUFMAN, IRMA L. LINDHEIM, NACHMAN MAISEL, SEYMOUR MELMAN, MYER D. MENDELSON, M.D., HARRY M. OSLINSKY, SAMUEL PITLICK, FRITZ ROHRLICH, LOUIS P. ROKER, RUTH SAGIS, ITZHAK SANKOWSKY, I.J. SHOENBERG, SAMUEL SHUMAN, M. SINGER, IRMA WOLFE, STEFAN WOLFE.

New York December 2, 1948.
ALBERT EINSTEIN

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"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
Popular Mechanics, 1949
Posts: 12 | Registered: Saturday, November 5 2005 08:00
Israel - Lebanon conflict in General
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Profile #44
The point is that we will never have the peace in the area if israel doesn' t stop to illegally occupaying the 62% of palestinian territory.
War is something orrible, in every war civilians die, and we will see orrible act from both side. But we have to remember always who is occupying and who is occupied.

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"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
Popular Mechanics, 1949
Posts: 12 | Registered: Saturday, November 5 2005 08:00
Israel - Lebanon conflict in General
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Member # 6454
Profile #10
quote:
Originally written by Zeviz:

You'd say the same think if Hezbolla had nuked Tel-Aviv, Alec.

Impossible. Only Israel have nucler weapons in that area

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"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
Popular Mechanics, 1949
Posts: 12 | Registered: Saturday, November 5 2005 08:00
Israel - Lebanon conflict in General
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I' m from Italy and i don' t think that my country will be attacked from Katusha rockets as my country is not illegally occupying palestine

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"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
Popular Mechanics, 1949
Posts: 12 | Registered: Saturday, November 5 2005 08:00
basalt fortress in Avernum 4
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Profile #3
thanks!!

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"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
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Posts: 12 | Registered: Saturday, November 5 2005 08:00
basalt fortress in Avernum 4
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Just finish to search here, but coudn' t find anything...
I' m in the basalt fortress with the friendly vannathai and i cannot find a way to open the second gate
thanks in advance for any help

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"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
Popular Mechanics, 1949
Posts: 12 | Registered: Saturday, November 5 2005 08:00
a little help in Blades of Avernum
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Profile #4
Actually i have only the key1, i will look for a dead body. thanks again
Just read on your profile that you are an artist, do you write, paint or play music?

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"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
Popular Mechanics, 1949
Posts: 12 | Registered: Saturday, November 5 2005 08:00
a little help in Blades of Avernum
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Profile #2
thanks for your help.
Actually i have only one key, had to look around
Ihr Italiener ist wie mein deutscher Dank für Ihr Willkommen

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"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
Popular Mechanics, 1949
Posts: 12 | Registered: Saturday, November 5 2005 08:00
a little help in Blades of Avernum
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Profile #0
hello to all!
I' m playing "A small rebellion"; actually i' m in the Zaskiwa sewers and cannot find the key to open the Waste outflux control room.
thanks in advance

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"Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons."
Popular Mechanics, 1949
Posts: 12 | Registered: Saturday, November 5 2005 08:00