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Huh, where to start ? in Blades of Exile
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Well, with some more experience (I mean as a player !) I did find some neat combos like Force Wall+ Conflagration+ Sleep Cloud :cool: to dispose of foes!
But still in the first Bandit fight I can't beat the bandit group without having at least 1 PC killed ... :(
Oh and for buying stuff I was against misled by BoA experience, I didn't think of asking about weapons/armor, I just clicked "Buy" :rolleyes: :D !
What's fun is that BoE combat and party management is much more tactically rich and challenging than in BoA... Why did the designers "tone down" features/spells in BoA ??
:confused:

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Posts: 18 | Registered: Monday, February 28 2005 08:00
Huh, where to start ? in Blades of Exile
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quote:
Originally written by ben2:

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Originally written by PDF:
My "Paladin" and "pure mage" surely aren't optimal, but I created them for RP reasons - after all isn't that the whole point of the game ?
Not really if you're intent on winning. An "optimal" party will be better at the beginner stage than a "seems most traditional" party.

Sorry, but having to do that kills the whole RPG concept... If I want to do that I play a tactical combat game, not a RPG.
:rolleyes:

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Posts: 18 | Registered: Monday, February 28 2005 08:00
BoE problem : game awfully slow on a recent PC in Tech Support
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Switched off NAV and game sound, now it runs TOO fast ! Problem gone ! :D Still get my arse handed to me on 1st fight though :eek: :P
Thanks for the help :)

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Posts: 18 | Registered: Monday, February 28 2005 08:00
Huh, where to start ? in Blades of Exile
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Thanks for the tips again.
Well, as for my Archer/Thief I was surely misled by BoA play, in which an archer is much more powerful (at low level) than a melee fighter. And I supposed I need a thief anyway, and to use consistent strengths Archery seemed the way to go.

And more importantly I don't like the idea of making only "power parties", with 3 fighters, 3 mages/priests and everyone saurian...
My "Paladin" and "pure mage" surely aren't optimal, but I created them for RP reasons - after all isn't that the whole point of the game ?

I don't feel it's good to oblige players to only play "power parties", but maybe I did begin with a too hard scenario, I'll try something easier (but want to start with a short scen, to get a good grasp of the game before playing a big epic).

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Posts: 18 | Registered: Monday, February 28 2005 08:00
Huh, where to start ? in Blades of Exile
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Ash Lael, thanks for the help.
Still I think I made a strong party, following advice from the BoE FAQ. I have :

1 big Saurian Fighter (polearm)- 20 hp
1 "Paladin" - Fighter/priest (2 levels)-18 hp
1 Feline Thief with Bow skill -16 hp
1 Saurian "Shaman" Mage 3/Priest 3 - 12 hp
1 specialist mage lvl 5 -10 hp

First combat is against 5 bandits w/sword, 2 archers and a mage, each having 40-some HP (excpet the mage)
I did use some "buffs", succeeded in charming 1 archer (his former friends killed him fast), and cast fireballs unless I had no SP left.

But the bad guys mostly survived, and in melee they kill my chars in 2 blows, while my chars only dent them when they hit ! Huh, and I forgot the bandits use poisoned weapons ...

It doesn't look like a fair fight..
But well, I'll try again !

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Posts: 18 | Registered: Monday, February 28 2005 08:00
BoE problem : game awfully slow on a recent PC in Tech Support
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Just started playing BoE yesterday, on a fairly recent PC : Athlon 2400+, 512Mb RAM, Radeon9700 64Mo, - under W98SE.... It should be enough to run 50 occurences of BoE :eek: , and for example BoA works quite well and so fast I have to put in at "v slow" setting.

But BoE is a snail : in town/outdoors there is a noticeable but playable "lag" to mouse clicks/keys, like 0.5 sec, but in combat it's unplayable : mouse clicks/keys takes 5+ sec to be acknowledged, monster turns lasts for 15-30 sec (with a couple monsters !), it's awful !!

I can't see where is the problem with my hardware/software, given that the game is pretty basic technically (I can run Morrowind or Rome Total War without a hitch :P ) : could it be some incompatibility with AV or firewall programs ? Or maybe sound (I have a problem with DX sound acceleration, but the game doesn't use DX I suppose)?

Please help ! :confused:

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Posts: 18 | Registered: Monday, February 28 2005 08:00
Huh, where to start ? in Blades of Exile
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Thanks Whitenightever for the "technical" info, I didn't include what you say in the "unnecessary" stuff ;)
Ash Lael, many thanks for you complete "series guide", this should be stickied somewhere ! :)

I decided finally to start with Bandits... Got my *ss kicked as soon as I left the town, my 1st level noob party is no match for the (seemingly) 5+ level bandits ! :rolleyes:
Well, maybe I should have bought some more equipment (not much with the starting gold...) but I didn't find any "functioning" shops, the blacksmith *tells* he's ok to sell stuff but nothing appears ! :confused:

[ Tuesday, March 01, 2005 23:56: Message edited by: PDF ]

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Posts: 18 | Registered: Monday, February 28 2005 08:00
Huh, where to start ? in Blades of Exile
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Thanks for the useful info :)
I've already read some reviews/rankings, and indeed noticed Tatterdemalion (note : what can this mean ?). But I feared it was somewhat too big for a starter.
Noticed "An Apology" too (and the general feeling that its designer as a very good one AND makes hard fights), but it is designed for a "low level" party, not a beginner one.
I think I'll go with "Spears" :)

As for my style of play, well, I tend to go on the "gamer" side, I can't refrain from enjoying tactical fights and gizmo hunting, but still largely prefers well done scenarios to bashing contest :rolleyes: .
Does not some "series" exist, where you can play (more or less) related scenarios one after another ? I've still fond souvenirs of the famous AD&D dungeon series like A1-A2-A3-A4, G1-G2-G3-D1-D2-D3 - which were quite poor adventures indeed but I didn't bother when I played them a loooong time ago... ;)

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Posts: 18 | Registered: Monday, February 28 2005 08:00
Huh, where to start ? in Blades of Exile
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Hi again,
After trying BoA I bought it, and after seeing the crapload of BoE scenarios available I just got it too :cool:
I've been quite surprised at discovering that BoE looks rather much rich, in terms of skills, tactics, spells etc ... than BoA, which I thought was "better", and think I will enjoy BoE even more :)
So now the question is : where to start, I mean which scenarios ?
I don't want to start with VoDT, as I just completed it in BoA it would be too much redundant. Still there are scores of highly rated and appetizing scenarios don't know where to start ! (I've found all the stuff at Spiderweb's, Lycaeum and Alexandria, and don't need "technical" advice)
Could someone guide me through the (spider)web of scenarios and propose a "tour" for a beginning party (that is a relatively consistent series of scenarios leading the party from level 1 to god like status if possible :D ) ?
Thanks

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Posts: 18 | Registered: Monday, February 28 2005 08:00
Registering/buying BoA/BoE in Blades of Avernum
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quote:
Originally written by Drakefyre:

The sheer amount and quality of BoE scenarios should be enough to make anyone register.
That's what I've thought also and why I did get it - even if it looks so outdated :rolleyes:

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Posts: 18 | Registered: Monday, February 28 2005 08:00
Registering/buying BoA/BoE in Blades of Avernum
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I've just registered BoA and bought BoE also, did get a BoE download, everything is fine, I'm happy :cool:

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Posts: 18 | Registered: Monday, February 28 2005 08:00
Registering/buying BoA/BoE in Blades of Avernum
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Hum, I think the CD distribution for BoE is just tied to the game age - in '97 digital distro wasn't a real option, and SpiderWeb is a small company that should not have much resource to spend on ultra modern delivery !

As for the BoE vs BoA debate, choice seems to be between "more" (BoE) and "better" (BoA).
I can't understand why the party size went down from 6 to 4 in BoA ? It gives much less party composition choice and limit tactics, what good does it have ? :confused:

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Posts: 18 | Registered: Monday, February 28 2005 08:00
Registering/buying BoA/BoE in Blades of Avernum
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Thanks Most Honorable Whitenightever :P
That's pretty good news, I'll register as soon as I'll be back home (unfortunately I don't have my BoA reg number right now ...)
:rolleyes:

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Posts: 18 | Registered: Monday, February 28 2005 08:00
Registering/buying BoA/BoE in Blades of Avernum
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Me again :rolleyes:
I would like to buy both BoA and BoE, but I'm not sure about what I would get :
* For BoA it looks like I will only be sent some activation code via email and no physical delivery is necessary - am I right ?
* However if I've understood correctly BoE is only sold on CD : that's pretty bad, because I will have to pay an half-the-world trip (from W Coast to Europe) and wait 3 weeks to get maybe 10 Mb that would take me less than 2 minutes to download :eek: ... Is there no way to get only a digital copy ?

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Posts: 18 | Registered: Monday, February 28 2005 08:00
Article - bjlhct2 On Scenario Design pt 1: Linearity in Blades of Avernum
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The whole thread idea is to say "linear = bad", or so it seems... Why that ? A linear scenario can be quite good, and the epitome of non linearity are those stupid randomly generated dungeon.
It's quite hard to make a good and very linear scenario, but OTOH every "non linear" event can be seen as just wasting time and designer effort out of the "main plot".
However many bjlhct2 (sp ?) ideas are quite good. ;)

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Hi, new here, compelling game ! in Blades of Avernum
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[quote=Drakefyre]
[b]War Blessing is quite possibly the best spell in the game.
Posts: 18 | Registered: Monday, February 28 2005 08:00
Hi, new here, compelling game ! in Blades of Avernum
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Thks guys.
As for low-level scenarios I've seen one with a very high rating : "Perfect forest". Do I need to play it with a new party or will my 10-th or so level party from Valley be Ok ?

And now for some game mechanisms questions :
Is there really no way to see a summary of % to hit, damage done and armor values ?
I mean, my fighter with sword and chain+shield has 65% to hit and deals 7d5 damage, and his armor stops 2-30 damage... I have to calculate that myself ? :eek:

Skill balance : is that me, or are archers and mages really much more powerful than "meleers" and clerics ?
In my group the archer kills 2 foes/round since his first fight (95% to hit and maybe 20d4 damage), and the mage freezes whole groups with Ice Lances. The fighter mostly get killed, and the priest heals him... Did I miss stg ? ;)

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Posts: 18 | Registered: Monday, February 28 2005 08:00
Hi, new here, compelling game ! in Blades of Avernum
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Hi all,
I don't know if it's common usage to introduce oneself here with a thread, but I don't think it could really be taken wrong ;)
So I'm an old (40.. *cough*) RPGer who played AD&D in the early 80s, then went to computer games and played a host of RPG since.
These last years I've been quite disappointed by the "mainstream commercial" games, at least since Baldur's Gate 2. Morrowind was beautiful but let me a feeling of "senselessness"...
So well, I've found BoA by chance and d/led the demo : for once I really felt again the "dungeon adventures" feelings I had when playing those old "gold box" SSI D&D games !
The game system is quite neat, and the "Valley" demo dungeon cool and quite lengthy; I'm in since 8-10 hrs, with a now level 7-8 party, and I'm still trying to free the dragon.
I'll buy the game as soon as I can find time to divert rather than playing (hint to the game designer : you could make a shorter demo to get faster sales :) .

As for questions, I've had a read at the scenario descriptions and rankings, but could someone guide me through the various "beginner" scenarios ? Which ones are the best to do after the Valley ?

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