Slartanalysis: Attack types

Author	Topic: Slartanalysis: Attack types
Slarty Raven v. Writing Desk Member # 261	written Tuesday, November 21 2006 21:44 Profile Homepage #0 Just as in previous games (and A4), the most important factor in damage is the damage multiplier of your attack type. Here's a partial list, which leaves out some items but hits most weapons, spells, and creation attacks: 3 - Thorn batons 3 - Firebolt 3 - Fyora, Unstable Wingbolt breath 4 - Most melee attacks 4 - Javelins 4 - Searer 4 - Artila, Plated Artila, Roamer breath 5 - Broadsword melee attacks (PC only) 5 - Venom batons 5 - Essence Orbs 5 - Vlish, Charged Vlish breath 6 - Acid batons 6 - Ice spray 6 - Cryoa, cryodrayk breath 7 - Submission batons 8 - Wands of disruption 8 - War Trall, Shock Trall breath 9 - Drayk, drakon breath 10 - Kill, Aura of Flames, Essence Lances 10 - Wingbolt, Gazer, Eyebeast, Kyshakk, burning kyshakk, Ur-drakon breath 12 - Reaper batons There is also base damage, but that scales with the mulitplier in pretty much every case. You get one level of the multiplier (i.e., 1-3 damage with Firebolt) for each skill level you have. Several numbers go into that depending on the attack type: PC MELEE: Str + Melee Weapons + Weapon Bonus CREATION MELEE: Str + Attack Skill PC MISSILE: Dex + Missile Weapons + Weapon Bonus CREATION MISSILE: Str + Attack Skill PC MAGIC: Magic Discipline Skill + Spellcraft + Individual Spell Skill This same bonus is used to calculate to-hit chance, except for creations where Dex is used for that instead of Str (for all attacks). Observations: With high enough Quick Action, melee attacks from your PC are equivalent to a multiplier of about 11 (2 x avg 3 vs 1 x avg 6). However, that much investment in Quick Action means your attack skill might be lower than for a comparable magic-user investing in just Battle Magic and Spellcraft. Melee, it looks like, holds its own with mid-level magic spells, but may be somewhat less powerful than Kill spells and Reapers. OTOH, it doesn't run out, and lets you save your essence for Daze or Dominate. ...OTOH, physical damage resistance is more common among creations and serviles and so forth, while magic and ice resistance are still pretty rare. The Ice Lances spell no longer stuns! It also no longer costs essence. Breath from cryoas and cryodrakes still stuns. Also, regular Vlish no longer slow... they confuse their victims?! I haven't finished my creation analysis yet (I am missing a very crucial component... essence costs! Anyone have a list?), but it looks like a number of the later creations do truly excellent damage: Drayks, Kyshakks, Drakons, Wingbolts, and Gazers. War Tralls (fifth tier) seem quite inferior to Drayks (third tier), whose breath does non-elemental physical damage now. [ Tuesday, November 28, 2006 04:27: Message edited by: Charged Slartile ] -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00
Randomizer Law Bringer Member # 6785	written Wednesday, November 22 2006 02:01 Profile #1 There are some special monsters in Chapter 5 that are resistant to magical and the whole FEC type group, but take physical. The Maddened trall in Valeya Ruins is the best example. This is a list of all the creations, but some of the essence costs maybe off since they came from different betas and I didn't always remember to copy the saved game over to the current one to recheck, Battle creations have only a melee attack except for the war trall and its creation level 3 counter part, Creation level 3 monsters require a higher shaping level than the base creations. Creations sh lvl lvl base Int+2 missle melee Fire shaping Fyora 1 2 8 11 fire bite Roamer 2 10 28 35 acid bite Drayk 3 24 60 75 fire bite Kyshakk 3 25 125 152 lightning aura bite Drakon 3 32 183 fire bite Battle shaping Thahd 1 4 12 17 physical Clawbug 2 10 30 39 poison Battle alpha 3 20 55 68 physical Rotgroth 3 28 125 152 acid War trall 3 32 175 212 physical physical Magic shaping Artila 1 4 12 17 acid bite Vlish 2 12 32 41 acid/curse magical Glaahk 3 20 60 75 physical/stun Wingbolt 3 28 125 152 magical poison Gazer 3 32 180 219 energy magical Level 3 creations Fire shaping Cryoa 2 7 25 32 cold bite Pyroroamer 3 4 15 20 fire bite explode Cryodrayk 4 28 90 111 cold bite Burning kyshakk 5 28 160 195 lightning aura bite charged Ur-drakon 6 35 220 267 fire bite area attack Battle shaping Unstable thahd 2 12 25 37 physical charged Plate bug 3 16 50 63 poison Battle beta 4 26 80 99 physical Corrupted rotgroth 5 37 160 181 acid charged Shock trall 6 33` 230 279 physical physical charged Plated artila 2 12 40 51 acid bite Charged vlish 3 12 75 92 acid/stun physical charged Ur-glaahk 4 30 80 99 physical/stun Unstable wingbolt 5 28 140 171 magical poison charged Eyebeast 6 38 240 291 magical/stun magical Posts: 4643 | Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00
pinski_88 Apprentice Member # 7661	written Wednesday, November 22 2006 09:54 Profile Homepage #2 Out of intrest, how does this Wingbolt-creature look like? Screenshots any one? Posts: 25 | Registered: Monday, November 13 2006 08:00
Amyth Shaper Member # 7472	written Wednesday, November 22 2006 10:09 Profile Homepage #3 I keep picturing it as an Eyebeast with just one eye and a pair of wings. -------------------- Scenarios need reviews! Please rate these scenarios at the CSR after playing them! Amnesia • Dilecia • The Empire's New Grove • Express Delivery Twilight Valley • Witch Hunt • Where the Rivers Meet • Foul Hordes Posts: 2686 | Registered: Friday, September 8 2006 07:00
The1Kobra Warrior Member # 5363	written Wednesday, November 22 2006 13:04 Profile Homepage #4 Just from looking at your stats (I have not played the game), drayks and drakons look a lot better now... Drayks were always fairly nice, but I heard a lot of people didn't like drakons. Ur Drakons are really tough now, though I would assume they are still expensive., a nice change overall. On the other hand, cryodrayks seem to have been left behind. There doesn't seem to be any reason to get them unless you really want cold damage, in which case a cryoa would seem to have greater value... Just some ovservations of mine... -------------------- Learn from others mistakes. Its safer and more entertaining than learning on your own. Posts: 100 | Registered: Wednesday, January 5 2005 08:00
Randomizer Law Bringer Member # 6785	written Wednesday, November 22 2006 14:56 Profile #5 In the opening screen you see a wingbolt curled around a pillar in the upper left of center. The first time you can see one is in Chapter 2. Posts: 4643 | Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00
Slarty Raven v. Writing Desk Member # 261	written Wednesday, November 22 2006 15:10 Profile Homepage #6 If you attack Crowley in chapter 1, he sometimes summons one. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 | Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00
Igor Shock Trooper Member # 3513	written Tuesday, November 28 2006 10:54 Profile Homepage #7 Wait wait wait. Clawbugs and plated bugs now have a poisonous attack? SWEET. The text in the creations window has always said they have a venomous sting, but never in the game. -------------------- Nobody appreciates me. It's all "Igor! Fetch some wine!" "Igor! Clean up this experiment!" or "Igor! Bury this in the garden, we're leaving town in 10 minutes!" —Alorael, who tried to become a deivore once. The priest gave him a funny look after the third wafer. Posts: 301 | Registered: Thursday, October 2 2003 07:00