Killing innocent people
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Warrior
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written Thursday, January 18 2007 15:06
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Is there anything wrong with killing innocent people (other than obvious moral issues)? I dont do it for pleasure, I do it because I want thier stuff. So far I've wiped out Mrrah's camp (on the way to Fort Draco, and Hamer the healer (near Fort Draco). Well ok, I admit it was kind of fun. But did I mess up my game by doing this? No one seems to be mad at me but mabye one of them would give me a quest later in the game. Also, neither of them had anything that valuable. -------------------- Big up your self! Posts: 91 | Registered: Tuesday, December 18 2001 08:00 |
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...b10010b...
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written Thursday, January 18 2007 15:22
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Don't kill the mage at the portal in Fort Avernum. You need him for something much later in the game. Apart from that, you're probably okay as long as you talk to everyone in town before you start committing murder. You may miss out on a couple of quests, but nothing that'll prevent you from completing the game. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Thursday, January 18 2007 15:23
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So far, you have not really affected the game in any way. -------------------- Scenarios need reviews! Please rate these scenarios at the CSR after playing them! Amnesia • Dilecia • The Empire's New Grove • Express Delivery Twilight Valley • Witch Hunt • Where the Rivers Meet • Foul Hordes Posts: 2686 | Registered: Friday, September 8 2006 07:00 |
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Councilor
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written Thursday, January 18 2007 15:30
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Besides the portal mage (which is here), you can't kill the king and live (well, actually, it's theoretically possible). Also, save in multiple files so you won't be too screwed if something does come up. Dikiyoba. Posts: 4346 | Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Thursday, January 18 2007 16:12
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As far as I can recall, the only vital quest givers in the game other than the mage at Fort Avernum dwell in the Castle. Rone's involved in the same quest that Vidrain is. His assistant also gives out a series of major quests (they may not be vital to finishing the game, though). The two main NPCs in the Abyss can make your life a little easier, but it's still possible to finish the game if you kill both before you finish their quests. One more thing: don't kill trainers. I almost killed Starcap in Almaria. EDIT: See Thuryl's post below. -------------------- Stiff, unappealing. You ain't got it, kid. - Jerry Tokovsky to Harrison Ford, 1965 [ Friday, January 19, 2007 07:18: Message edited by: Dintiradan ] Posts: 1509 | Registered: Tuesday, January 10 2006 08:00 |
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written Thursday, January 18 2007 16:29
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Wouldn't killing people in Formello or Fort Emerald before the barriers are taken down mess up your game too? -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Thursday, January 18 2007 20:33
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It's generally a bad idea to kill anyone in an area you haven't cleared thoroughly yet. It's also not a great idea to kill anyone in an area you think you'll return to, like the Castle or Fort Avernum. Beyond that, rampaging through Avernum is really okay. —Alorael, who doesn't even think there are any terribly essential things you miss by killing everyone before you can finish quests. The best loot is all found, not received. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Thursday, January 18 2007 22:19
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You miss out on experience by killing innocents before they give the quest reward. After that you get extra experience and treasure for killing them. Avernum is not like Nethergate where they know what you are doing. Posts: 4643 | Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00 |
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Canned
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written Sunday, January 21 2007 08:10
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What do you mean? people aren't innocent or bad they just survive : Pain and suffering is the price of living because life is change and imperfection so why do you think that killing innocent people is bad? Families and friends do suffer because of that and it's our duty to make them move on to live. You can stop the mad-mans but you can't end suffering you can only ease suffering from others. And cure the ill minded freaks in some cases. But do what you may and kill the peasants!!!! [ Sunday, January 21, 2007 08:12: Message edited by: upon mars ] -------------------- You can jump off a bridge, fire a gun in your mouth, drink poison,or going in to the tiger's pit but you will still end up dead it's a mater of time and how . Posts: 312 | Registered: Sunday, November 26 2006 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Sunday, January 21 2007 12:36
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You know, you almost had me until, quote:...and then I realized that what you said made very little sense. So... yeah. Personally, I'm not one for killing bystanders (alleged innocence aside). I've never incited a town against me, never randomly sacked a village, and I try my level best to avoid unnecessary bloodshed (like Thorius Goodman's quest). Of course, if someone tries to attack me, they're going down. :P -------------------- Thuryl: "Runescape: for people who are too stupid to save their games." Gamble with Gaea, and she eats your dice. Posts: 4130 | Registered: Friday, March 26 2004 08:00 |
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Councilor
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written Sunday, January 21 2007 13:23
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This is the fundamental difference between the Avernum and Geneforge Series. In Avernum, Dikiyoba kills only the bad guys. In Geneforge, Dikiyoba frequently kills everyone. Posts: 4346 | Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00 |
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Guardian
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written Sunday, January 21 2007 14:31
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By Eph: quote:Yes, that's Standard Adventurer Response. In fact, that's what my D&D group fell prey to two sessions ago (I was in the midst of Crunch Time, so I couldn't intervene). Suffice to say that killing the only source of information about a curse that's been placed on you is a Bad Idea. -------------------- Immaculate Reception: The fact that Joseph and Mary could throw a welcoming party in Bethlehem for the Three Wise Men despite having no caterer. Posts: 1509 | Registered: Tuesday, January 10 2006 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Sunday, January 21 2007 21:12
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I'm far more murderiferous in Geneforge. I figure most of them are part of evil factions that must be purged anyway. Besides, shapers don't do warm and fluffy. They do conquest by the sword, tooth, claw, baton, and fireball. —Alorael, who wonders if the American government is made up of adventurers. It would explain a few things. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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written Sunday, January 21 2007 22:13
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quote:Also, a surprising number of major characters in Geneforge (especially G4) drop useful items when killed. I wonder if this has anything to do with your behaviour. quote:Well, they have been known to engage in adventurism. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Monday, January 22 2007 06:54
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So, is adventure capitalism getting very rich by finding someone who's likely to take money now and turn it into more money in the future, breaking into their home, and taking everything not nailed down? —Alorael, who at least understands Cheney. It was moving, so it had to be shot. Very simple, really. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Monday, January 22 2007 07:29
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quote:[/b] No, it's lobbying powerful adventurers to find someone who's likely to take money now and turn it into more money in the future, break into their home, and take everything not nailed down. Doing it yourself is being an adventurer entrepreneur. [ Monday, January 22, 2007 07:31: Message edited by: Nioca ] -------------------- Scenarios need reviews! Please rate these scenarios at the CSR after playing them! Amnesia • Dilecia • The Empire's New Grove • Express Delivery Twilight Valley • Witch Hunt • Where the Rivers Meet • Foul Hordes Posts: 2686 | Registered: Friday, September 8 2006 07:00 |
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Canned
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written Wednesday, January 24 2007 14:08
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Capitalism is the hight of the richest empires the system is based on hate and fear. Behold comunisum the grail of the people based on respect and work. And about the peasant killing thing it's only a twist of irony i really meant what i said before that. That donsen't make me or any one more human than that. Goodnight. http://www-sor.inria.fr/projects/hobbes/bigger-hobbes.gif [ Wednesday, January 24, 2007 14:12: Message edited by: upon mars ] -------------------- You can jump off a bridge, fire a gun in your mouth, drink poison,or going in to the tiger's pit but you will still end up dead it's a mater of time and how . Posts: 312 | Registered: Sunday, November 26 2006 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Wednesday, January 24 2007 22:00
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Capitalism is based on selfishness and greed (and you can't have the latter without the former). It's ugly, but it works. Communism is either on noble seflessness or iron-fisted control from the top. The former doesn't happen and the latter is even uglier than capitalism... and it doesn't work. —Alorael, who as always advocates socialism only up to the point at which most people still don't realize that their selfishness isn't very productive for them personally and that laziness is a viable alternative. That's probably the point at which laziness isn't a viable alternative. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Canned
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written Friday, January 26 2007 09:26
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Hum.... i see what you mean serial http://www.davno.ru/posters/collections/stalin/img/poster-01.jpg Russian are harsh and evil don't blame them: the come from as harsh and evil land. Communism there is impossible. What about the germans and the Deutsch which invented a political system that aid the people and politicians are mostly communists and socialists in those countries. Explain me how come that mostly communists countries are violent ? [ Friday, January 26, 2007 22:22: Message edited by: upon mars ] -------------------- You can jump off a bridge, fire a gun in your mouth, drink poison,or going in to the tiger's pit but you will still end up dead it's a mater of time and how . Posts: 312 | Registered: Sunday, November 26 2006 08:00 |
