countering freezing?

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BrTarolg Warrior Member # 1467	written Friday, July 14 2006 22:41 Profile Homepage #0 recently i have found that my characters being frozen is really REALLY annoying - esp when my only priest/tank gets frozen and my mages are left to die. is there a way i can counter being frozen? -------------------- Brother Glorat The world is merciless, why should i care? Posts: 82 \| Registered: Tuesday, July 9 2002 07:00
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Friday, July 14 2006 23:18 Profile Homepage #1 Prismatic Shield allegedly helps prevent freezing, but I've never found it very effective. Divine Restoration cures freezing, but by the time you get it you won't be seeing much more ice. Getting frozen is just unpleasant. The keys are avoiding freezing pylons and otherwise just toughing it out. The demon in the Tower of Magi is especially nasty with his ice, but he'll only freeze one character at a time so you can just keep that one protected and keep on dealing damage with the rest of your party. —Alorael, who wonders how singletons deal with freezing. Judging by the demon, it's possible Jeff programmed enemies not to freeze single characters, but that seems like an uncharacteristic programmed gesture towards singletons. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Nepharim Warrior Member # 7305	written Saturday, July 15 2006 10:14 Profile #2 My solution is keeping a tank, and a semi-tank for backup use. Posts: 53 \| Registered: Saturday, July 15 2006 07:00
Randomizer Law Bringer Member # 6785	written Saturday, July 15 2006 17:39 Profile #3 To avoid or reduce freezing use cold resistance items like rings. I forget how high your resistance needs to be to have a good chance. For a singleton there are three solutions: improve cold resistance, summon cold resistance shades to protect you, and the always unpopular save and reload. Posts: 4643 \| Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00
Vaecrius Apprentice Member # 7261	written Saturday, July 15 2006 20:14 Profile #4 I'll second the tank advice... I don't know if you can without it, but while using the blade charm (?) necklace he was even able to, uh, parry and riposte while frozen. o_O Posts: 19 \| Registered: Wednesday, June 28 2006 07:00
Ephesos Law Bringer Member # 4153	written Saturday, July 15 2006 20:39 Profile Homepage #5 quote: Originally written by Vaecrius: I'll second the tank advice... I don't know if you can without it, but while using the blade charm (?) necklace he was even able to, uh, parry and riposte while frozen. o_O Yeah, I believe parry and Riposte work regardless of statuses that really should override them... Dazing comes to mind as well. -------------------- Thuryl: "Runescape: for people who are too stupid to save their games." Gamble with Gaea, and she eats your dice. Posts: 4130 \| Registered: Friday, March 26 2004 08:00
Thuryl ...b10010b... Member # 869	written Saturday, July 15 2006 21:06 Profile Homepage #6 Riposting is, uh, the art of holding your sword at such an angle that opponents accidentally run into it while attacking you. Yeah, that's it. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 \| Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
-=microphage=- Warrior Member # 7213	written Saturday, July 15 2006 22:05 Profile Homepage #7 Riposte is a quick thrust given after parrying/deflecting an opponent's lunge in fencing/sword fighting. And/or a retaliatory action, maneuver, or verbal retort in tongue fu fighting. Hey, it's after 2am here. What'd you expect? ;) -------------------- Aide: (tugging at General's pant leg from ground..) "Sir! Please get down!" General: "What!?! They couldn't hit a Giant from that dist..." Posts: 181 \| Registered: Monday, June 12 2006 07:00
Thuryl ...b10010b... Member # 869	written Saturday, July 15 2006 22:46 Profile Homepage #8 quote: Originally written by Micro Phage: Riposte is a quick thrust given after parrying/deflecting an opponent's lunge in fencing/sword fighting. And/or a retaliatory action, maneuver, or verbal retort in tongue fu fighting. Hey, it's after 2am here. What'd you expect? ;) I agree that that's the dictionary definition of riposting (I fenced for 5 years, after all; I do know what it is). However, since in Avernum 4 it's possible to riposte while frozen solid and incapable of movement, that can't possibly be what riposting actually is in Avernum 4. Hence my proposed alternative definition. [ Saturday, July 15, 2006 22:46: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 \| Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Saturday, July 15 2006 23:18 Profile Homepage #9 As your opponent charges you with a battle cry, howl, growl, or other sound effect, your immobilized character musters the willpower to pry his mouth open and deliver a blistering and witty verbal riposte. It's so clever it hurts. —Alorael, who also supposes that an incautious opponent might suffer an injury from a particularly jagged piece of frozen adventurer. Maybe in the frenzy of one-sided melee some enemies don't pay much attention. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
-=microphage=- Warrior Member # 7213	written Saturday, July 15 2006 23:38 Profile Homepage #10 quote: Originally written by Thuryl: I agree that that's the dictionary definition of riposting (I fenced for 5 years, after all; I do know what it is). However, since in Avernum 4 it's possible to riposte while frozen solid and incapable of movement, that can't possibly be what riposting actually is in Avernum 4. Hence my proposed alternative definition. I got your uh, humor/alt def. My humor can be dry at best, muddy when tired. Hence the ;) ... It was an attempt at a humorous riposte and I guess this is a muddy re-post ;) . God what a terrible pun. I think at 3:40am it's time to sleep. Take care, Sir Good Knight. ouch. I'm outta here! -------------------- Aide: (tugging at General's pant leg from ground..) "Sir! Please get down!" General: "What!?! They couldn't hit a Giant from that dist..." Posts: 181 \| Registered: Monday, June 12 2006 07:00
-=microphage=- Warrior Member # 7213	written Saturday, July 15 2006 23:47 Profile Homepage #11 quote: Originally written by Killing is wrong: As your opponent charges you with a battle cry, howl, growl, or other sound effect, your immobilized character musters the willpower to pry his mouth open and deliver a blistering and witty verbal riposte. It's so clever it hurts. —Alorael, who also supposes that an incautious opponent might suffer an injury from a particularly jagged piece of frozen adventurer. Maybe in the frenzy of one-sided melee some enemies don't pay much attention. Heh! Alorael, I should have known you were still awake! I need to sleep but couldn't resist saying hello! 'Nite Sir Knights. (OK, so I'm reading Eddings Elenium Trilogy on bathroom breaks. Busted...) -------------------- Aide: (tugging at General's pant leg from ground..) "Sir! Please get down!" General: "What!?! They couldn't hit a Giant from that dist..." Posts: 181* \| Registered: Monday, June 12 2006 07:00
BrTarolg Warrior Member # 1467	written Saturday, July 15 2006 23:48 Profile Homepage #12 i still wanna know how i manage to do riposte an dparry with a giant spear. must be pri tough. -------------------- Brother Glorat The world is merciless, why should i care? Posts: 82 \| Registered: Tuesday, July 9 2002 07:00
-=microphage=- Warrior Member # 7213	written Sunday, July 16 2006 01:02 Profile Homepage #13 quote: Originally written by BrTarolg: i still wanna know how i manage to do riposte an dparry with a giant spear. must be pri tough. Not sure you can willfully in the A4 world. Riposte and parry generally apply to (1 hand) blade weapons whereas a giant spear would be a (both hands) pole weapon in A4. The riposte and parry are kind of automated when you are frozen it seems. Can you select what weapon you have active at the point you're at? Honestly, I just like to fry bad guys with Divine Retribution when possible, but then I cheat like crazy when my (RPG) life is on the line... ;) -------------------- Aide: (tugging at General's pant leg from ground..) "Sir! Please get down!" General: "What!?! They couldn't hit a Giant from that dist..." Posts: 181 \| Registered: Monday, June 12 2006 07:00
darkmatter Apprentice Member # 1273	written Sunday, July 16 2006 11:44 Profile #14 Ending the battle and moving a bit seems to make thawing happen quicker, if you wanna try that. Posts: 10 \| Registered: Friday, June 7 2002 07:00
Drakefyre Triad Mage Member # 7	written Sunday, July 16 2006 12:42 Profile Homepage #15 It's easy to parry with a spear, but more difficult to riposte (IRL). In-game, it's all the same. Makes it less complicated. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00
Vaecrius Apprentice Member # 7261	written Sunday, July 16 2006 13:08 Profile #16 quote: Originally written by Thuryl: Riposting is, uh, the art of holding your sword at such an angle that opponents accidentally run into it while attacking you. Yeah, that's it. That's actually a perfectly legitimate (and basic) defence in Italian rapier. :D Hmm... maybe the victim moves very slowly, but he freezes again just as the attacker commits to striking and doesn't have time to correct his position... Normally, though, I tend to think of Averum's riposte mechanic not so much a classical beat-sword-hit-swordsman move so much as a medieval counter-cut where your swords glance off each other, the defender's sword glancing towards the attacker and the attacker's sword glancing away. It takes a lot more finesse than a whack-stab riposte, but you can do it in a single motion without telegraphing anything - roughly the effect you see with Avernum's riposte. EDIT: English has a lot of prepositions with very subtle differences in meaning. o_O [ Sunday, July 16, 2006 13:09: Message edited by: Vaecrius ] Posts: 19 \| Registered: Wednesday, June 28 2006 07:00
Ephesos Law Bringer Member # 4153	written Sunday, July 16 2006 17:34 Profile Homepage #17 quote: Originally written by Micro Phage: Honestly, I just like to fry bad guys with Divine Retribution *RETRIBUTION!!!!!!!* This does tend to solve problems, but I think it can melt ice on enemies. Not like it could ever matter, since half of the stuff that could put ice on your enemies is immune to charming... and I don't think there's any way for a PC to freeze anything. -------------------- Thuryl: "Runescape: for people who are too stupid to save their games." Gamble with Gaea, and she eats your dice. Posts: 4130 \| Registered: Friday, March 26 2004 08:00
Randomizer Law Bringer Member # 6785	written Sunday, July 16 2006 19:36 Profile #18 The closest the PC has to freeze is the daze/super daze spells. The next best is to stun them out of fighting. The best is to kill them before they attack so you don't have to think about it, I only remember two golem encounters (Tomb of Kyrann and under Almaria) and off course those pylons that can freeze you. You just have to be careful. Posts: 4643 \| Registered: Friday, February 10 2006 08:00
BrTarolg Warrior Member # 1467	written Monday, July 17 2006 00:50 Profile Homepage #19 ah i remember the days of avernum 2 when bind foe lvl 1 would web and permanently disable one character <like gharzad for example> and then i screamed when i got bind foe level 3 and reverted back to lvl 1 because its just better :P -------------------- Brother Glorat The world is merciless, why should i care? Posts: 82 \| Registered: Tuesday, July 9 2002 07:00
Ephesos Law Bringer Member # 4153	written Monday, July 17 2006 04:35 Profile Homepage #20 quote: Originally written by BrTarolg: ah i remember the days of avernum 2 when bind foe lvl 1 would web and permanently disable one character <like gharzad for example> and then i screamed when i got bind foe level 3 and reverted back to lvl 1 because its just better :P Pardon me, but this seems rather counterproductive. It'd take something like 4-6 hits to put Garzahd out of commission, hits which could be better spent using level 3 to paralyze 4-6 of his henchmen so that they can't distract you from your main goal. Bind Foe level 3 FTW, in other words... -------------------- Thuryl: "Runescape: for people who are too stupid to save their games." Gamble with Gaea, and she eats your dice. Posts: 4130 \| Registered: Friday, March 26 2004 08:00
BrTarolg Warrior Member # 1467	written Tuesday, July 18 2006 07:10 Profile Homepage #21 jees.. the point is - ANYONE can be hit by bind foe lvl 1. anything in the entire game. however, there are ALOT of creatures which are resistant to paralysis or sleep. actually, i was quite weak at the time - so i had becca <damn supercharacter> whack on gharzad whilst i spammed bind foe using my other 3 characters on everything else <i also summoned a couple rakshasha and hakaai> basically - if you are fighting a so called "boss" - like athron - then all you need to do is cast bind foe lvl 1 and shes dead you cant use bind for lvl 2-3 to kill her. -------------------- Brother Glorat The world is merciless, why should i care? Posts: 82 \| Registered: Tuesday, July 9 2002 07:00
Ephesos Law Bringer Member # 4153	written Tuesday, July 18 2006 07:36 Profile Homepage #22 I prefer actual skill when it comes to combat, actually... spell spamming takes a lot of the fun out of the game. And if you can't defeat a boss without spamming a cheap trick, then you probably shouldn't be there yet. That said, it was immensely fun to spam Divine RETRIBUTION!!! in A4. It was one of the things that got me through the endgame... EDIT: For clarification, the only thing that made that fun was screaming it at the monitor full of vahnatai and pylons. [ Tuesday, July 18, 2006 07:37: Message edited by: Ephesos ] -------------------- Thuryl: "Runescape: for people who are too stupid to save their games." Gamble with Gaea, and she eats your dice. Posts: 4130 \| Registered: Friday, March 26 2004 08:00
-=microphage=- Warrior Member # 7213	written Tuesday, July 18 2006 09:32 Profile Homepage #23 quote: Originally written by fractalnavel: minor bug / exploit: the old keyboard shortcut "c" brings up a "cast spell" dialog from which any mage or priest spell that you have access to may be cast, regardless of encumbrances. one can "c"ast at time where one cannot otherwise use "m"age spells (or click on the button). didn't see this mentioned anywhere - did i miss it ? At the risk of spell spamming, wondered if this could be of use when you are frozen? It's really handy to have a "hot key" to cast! I doubt this is a bug or exploit. Maybe an easter egg of sorts. (hot key wise) -------------------- Aide: (tugging at General's pant leg from ground..) "Sir! Please get down!" General: "What!?! They couldn't hit a Giant from that dist..." Posts: 181 \| Registered: Monday, June 12 2006 07:00