Av4 Character Editor... will one ever be made

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AuthorTopic: Av4 Character Editor... will one ever be made
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Having tried the cheats (they suck :P ) then the in game Editor by Hawk King (so limited...), I was wondering if anyone would in the future make an application that acts like the orginal Avernum character editors (since I'm guessing it would not be hard for someone who knows Av4's data intimately to build one).

And I know everyone can go on with the "Why bother cheating" line but that's not what this query is about.

Normally when I've completed an Avernum game a number of times I get to the point where I get bored so I use the Character editor to make a ready to go character with equipment all set up and a history of great or evil deeds behind him/her, so instead of starting with a group of novices wielding rusty knifes I get to go around as a lone (normally) experienced yet balanced veteran to add to a whole new challenge.

The lack of character editor was a really downer in that respect... :(

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I doubt there will be a character editor. You can always cheat by modifying the scripts, however.

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Would there be a Av4 character editor if you had to pay say $5 for it? ;)

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I really want to edit in the Girdle of Might. I swear to god I never sold it, because I was waiting to get it, but I have been to the place where allegedly it was supposed to be, and it isn't.

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There's more than one of each of the Girdle's...you'll get another chance. :)

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There won't ever be an editor for Avernum 4, but I am strongly considering relenting for Avernum 5, should it be written. (And, considering how crazy much Avernum 4 we're selling, Avernum 5 seems a good bet.)

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I'd certainly like a Character Editor, personally.

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same here
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I also found the character editor to be much more effective, user-friendly, and useful than the weird cheat system.

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If you're not sure whether to go ahead with making Avernum 5, you have my vote. Aye!

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You vote with your cash. A purchase of A4 is a vote for A5.

And to those of you who scream, "poll tax," I say: perhaps. :P

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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quote:
Originally written by Kelandon:

You vote with your cash. A purchase of A4 is a vote for A5.
From what I've heard of A4 and expect from A5, an argument against. I guessed that abandoning the system of previous Avernum games would be bad, and what people have said seems to confirm that.

But hey, I'll wait for the Windows demo and see...

[ Wednesday, January 11, 2006 06:38: Message edited by: Arancaytar ]

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Whatever the complaints, and there are some valid ones, the A4 engine is better than the older Avernum engines. Just fight a few of the more interesting fights and that becomes abundantly clear. All that's really missing is secret doors. And crate puzzles, if you're really a masochist.

The graphics are always a wash. Jeff can't plesae the Exile-philes, the Geneforge-philes, and the Avernum-philes at the same time. I'm not complaining.

The plot could have been better, but that's not an engine problem.

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Good point. I loved Exile/Avernum, haven't decided whether the Geneforge series is worth buying (the demo was okay, but overall it didn't "grab" me like Exile did).

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avernum 3 is the best i think ;) uhm... ok i have no idea why im posting here...

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Natty, it is generally considered polite to leave an old thread alone unless you have something genuinely new and useful to add.

You did not.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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quote:
Originally written by Bent Spoon:


The graphics are always a wash. Jeff can't plesae the Exile-philes, the Geneforge-philes, and the Avernum-philes at the same time. I'm not complaining.

It's just that I would like Geneforge graphics to please Geneforge-philes and Avernum graphics to please Avernum-philes. I was totally shocked when I noticed the total lack of outdoors. I had liked them a lot in the other Avernums.

[ Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:28: Message edited by: Bestrafer_fin ]

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What makes me angry its i accidently did an error to my charactors and i tried to fix it and BECAUSE there is NO editor. :mad: :mad: I really wish that the creator of avernum 4 will create a "Charactor editor" and for players of Avernum to download and for those who doesn't want it don't need to download it. Anyone that read this, reply if you Agree or Disagree

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quote:
Originally written by Super ideal idea:

What makes me angry its i accidently did an error to my charactors and i tried to fix it and BECAUSE there is NO editor. :mad: :mad: I really wish that the creator of avernum 4 will create a "Charactor editor" and for players of Avernum to download and for those who doesn't want it don't need to download it. Anyone that read this, reply if you Agree or Disagree
What kind of error? You might be able to fix it with one of the cheats.

Jeff won't make a character editor, and we need to make peace with this fact. The cheats are all we're getting. Besides, if he didn't listen to the Mac users when we complained earlier, why would he start listening now?

Besides, it's more of a challenge to avoid using the character editor... so I disagree. Let somebody else make the character editor if they need it so badly.

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What kind of error? You might be able to fix it with one of the cheats.

Jeff won't make a character editor, and we need to make peace with this fact. The cheats are all we're getting. Besides, if he didn't listen to the Mac users when we complained earlier, why would he start listening now?

Besides, it's more of a challenge to avoid using the character editor... so I disagree. Let somebody else make the character editor if they need it so badly.
Well i tried to put those Inhencers (that are "Elite Warrior", "Bless at Birth", etc...) But i forgot to put some to certain of my caracters and there are NO CHEATS :eek: to correct that.

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I wouldn't mind the character editor for when I forget to save my game before selling suff and accidentally sell something I wanted to keep.

I've only used one three times before. Once I came back to the save game to find my boat was gone and there was no other way back in Exile 2. In Blades of Exile, A Small Rebellion scenario, I was piling up experience and loot from a gold mine filled with spirits when my money went to negative 32,000 something instead of maxing out. The only time it was my fault was in Avernum 2 when I needed spell points for Move Mountains to get out an area that I should have caught as a trap and had no save files before it.

I wouldn't mind being able to tweak an existing character to change spent skill points.
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I'm making one but unfortunately, it will only be for windows users (being as I'll be using Visual C++ .NET) and I dont think I have the stamina to allow for item editing. Itll just be stats, traits and money editing. Ive figured out most of the save format info with regards to characters.

"Header" stores the little image, time, date and all that. "Data" is where character info starts. Stuff like Level, for the first character, is stored at the 23968th byte, stats begin at the 24006th etc. I was bored last night. :D

p.s. i started because i didnt pay attention to the unlock door - tool use connection. :mad: :mad: Took care of that problem. :)

[ Wednesday, March 08, 2006 08:13: Message edited by: Red_Sage ]
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quote:
Originally written by Red_Sage:

I'm making one but unfortunately, it will only be for windows users (being as I'll be using Visual C++ .NET) and I dont think I have the stamina to allow for item editing. Itll just be stats, traits and money editing. Ive figured out most of the save format info with regards to characters.

"Header" stores the little image, time, date and all that. "Data" is where character info starts. Stuff like Level, for the first character, is stored at the 23968th byte, stats begin at the 24006th etc. I was bored last night. :D

p.s. i started because i didnt pay attention to the unlock door - tool use connection. :mad: :mad: Took care of that problem. :)

Glad to hear it. Good luck to you!
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when will it be done...WHEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

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