Graphic Delima
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Warrior
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written Sunday, July 13 2003 10:17
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As some of you may have noticed, I have a while ago created, submitted, and seen posted a handful of graphics to Drakefyre's webpage. These graphics were merely a reintroduction into the realm of creating custom graphics for Spiderweb games. Frankly, I look back at the majority of them and wondered why I embarrassed myself by going out of my way to post such mediocre graphics. Currently, I have worked out several more graphics most of which are several times better than those hosted at Drakefyre's webpage. So the question I'm facing is this - why have I yet to submit them to the general public (i.e. Brett Bixler's page or once more Drakefyre's page)? On one hand is this- Graphic competitions. As soon as BoA comes out, it is a certainty that someone somewhere will be hosting a graphic competition, and as history shows (at least with BoE) the rules state that these graphics must be never-before-seen graphics. If I were to send some of them now, that would disqualify a good portion of my eligibility. Further, I look at the two sites mentioned above and I find myself with a few complaints. I look at Drakefyre's Demesne and see the last update being sometime in February. Normally, I considered a site dead after that length of inactivity. (Yes, I realize my Elfwood account is in just as bad/worse shape >>). Second, the Lourve which is the leading page for custom BoA graphics thus far is pretty well flooded with dozens upon dozens of pallet swaps. I could go into extensive detail why I am against this, but won't for the sake of briefness (this post is long enough, right?). Thus, I am left with the following dilemma: I do wish to contribute something to the BoA community, but at this point I am highly reluctant. Without BoA being out and (attempting) creation of scenarios being out of the question, and myself with neither the programming knowledge nor resistance to procrastination to create a page of my own, I'm am well limited at this point to the realm of Graphics. Should I wait until BoA comes out? Should I go ahead and submit the handful of graphics I have done? Input is welcome. ---Your graphically manic maniac, Necris Omega -------------------- Razordisk Frisbee Golf Posts: 168 | Registered: Saturday, October 26 2002 07:00 |
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BANNED
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written Sunday, July 13 2003 10:59
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I would say put them out, since I'm always intrested in other's works, as I might just learn something new from them.. Anyway, in case you really want to spare thos graphs fro contests, feel free. They're your graphics, after all. :) -------------------- The Great Mister kommari@gmail.com[/url] Posts: 761 | Registered: Thursday, June 19 2003 07:00 |
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Guardian
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written Sunday, July 13 2003 13:16
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Well... I haven't released any (well one thing at Lourve) of my stuff. I'm a picky person about people stealing my stuff and doing cheap recolors/minor editting. And besides, the stuff I'm doing now is very scenario-specific to my scenarios. It's up to you as to what you want to do, but I say go ahead and release the generic stuff, and hold onto the more original, better quality graphics. -------------------- DEMON PLAY, DEMON OUT! Posts: 1582 | Registered: Wednesday, November 13 2002 08:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Monday, July 14 2003 02:24
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I think that the first graphics contest may involve all graphics created before Blades of Avernum is released - still post this at Olympia at the Lyceum too and maybe get more involved opinions. And about my site - there hasn't been much going on, but I've got material for another update now. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Guardian
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written Monday, July 14 2003 05:33
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Yea that's a good idea (the pre-BOA contest). uh... That's all I have to say. -------------------- DEMON PLAY, DEMON OUT! Posts: 1582 | Registered: Wednesday, November 13 2002 08:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Monday, July 14 2003 07:50
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IMO - The only graphics that should be inelegible for a contest are those entered in a previous contest. Who cares if they were used in 1 or 1000 scenarios before? But, this is just my opinion. It's up to the people who coordinate the contest to decide the rules. -------------------- All that we see, or seem, is but a dream within a dream. Visit the Louvre, the BoA Graphics Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boa/louvre/ Visit Alexandria, the BoE Scenario Database at http://www.personal.psu.edu/bxb11/boe/alexandriajs/ Posts: 653 | Registered: Thursday, September 27 2001 07:00 |
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Guardian
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written Monday, July 14 2003 08:15
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Again, I agree with somebody and have nothing else to say... ACTUALLY I do... The idea of 'original' should apply only to 'original in a contest'. Like the previous poster so well put out, who cares if it's in a scenario? We all play different types of scenarios, so it could be original to us and not to another. And a question: what constitutes an editted graphic from a complete ground-up graphic? Would ground-up be able to use a template? I'm not sure... and I don't remember past BOE contests enough to tell the difference. -------------------- DEMON PLAY, DEMON OUT! Posts: 1582 | Registered: Wednesday, November 13 2002 08:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Monday, July 14 2003 09:00
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Edited graphics are any edited from an existing graphic. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Monday, July 14 2003 09:00
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Edited graphics are any edited from an existing graphic. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Monday, July 14 2003 10:58
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^ :eek: ^ -------------------- Who was born in a house full of pain Who was trained not to spit in the fan Who was told what to do by the man Who was broken by trained personnel Who was fitted with collar and chain Who was given a pat on the back Who was breaking away from the pack Who was only a stranger at home Who was ground down in the end Who was found dead on the phone Who was dragged down by the stone Posts: 595 | Registered: Tuesday, March 12 2002 08:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Monday, July 14 2003 13:56
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It's doubly important to follow that guidline. :rolleyes: -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Guardian
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written Monday, July 14 2003 18:02
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Oooo... Drakey with the smooth cover up. Ok. So that makes everything I've done so far edits. -------------------- DEMON PLAY, DEMON OUT! Posts: 1582 | Registered: Wednesday, November 13 2002 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Monday, July 14 2003 23:19
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quote:Actually, I've seen more than a few edits of my own existing pics running as 'original' in the graphic contests. So far, 'edited graphic' seems to be any pic edited from a Spidweb existing graphic. Posts: 253 | Registered: Tuesday, October 9 2001 07:00 |
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BANNED
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written Monday, July 14 2003 23:59
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Dang, then I can't compete with the Ugly Warrior set.. It's edited from Avernum 2.. :P -------------------- The Great Mister kommari@gmail.com[/url] Posts: 761 | Registered: Thursday, June 19 2003 07:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Tuesday, July 15 2003 01:30
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Well, Mab, if you see them then you should complain. Alcritas and I had this discussion over some of TM's graphics entered as originals and reclassified them as edits. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Tuesday, July 15 2003 08:53
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It's a shame that everyone has to be so protective of their own graphics. If only people learned to share... :rolleyes: -------------------- Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." - Soviet infantry manual, 1930's Posts: 267 | Registered: Wednesday, November 27 2002 08:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Tuesday, July 15 2003 09:00
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People can edit other people's graphics, but they shouldn't say that they're original graphics when they're not. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Tuesday, July 15 2003 10:05
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quote: quote:Ripping off an artist’s work… that brings me to a Rant-- Few things tick me off like an art thief. No, I’m not talking Pierce Brosnan’s “The Tomas Crown Affair” type of art thief, I’m talking about plagiarists. Editing someone else's graphics without asking them is bad enough. Editing someone else's graphics without asking, without giving credit, claiming it as original, and releasing them to the general public are grounds for a lynching. Graphic artists who work for BoA/BoE are not getting paid for their work, and they don’t expect to be. These people who take the time and to sit down and provide people with customized graphics to use in their scenario don’t ask much. They ask recognition for their work and that’s it. And given most people are kind enough to give it to them. But people who lack the general decency to at least give credit, who know better, and who repay that generosity by ripping off original work should be lobotomized and used for remedial labor. Sure, it is licensed to edit the original game graphics as the artist sold the rights to do so. And yes, many edits of official BoA/BoE graphics are incredible. But taking one person’s original work given out only to be used in a BoA/BoE scenario and editing it without permission is low. And to think that someone would do this, claim it as their own original graphic, and have the nerve to enter it in a competition… “Urge to kill… rising.” ~ Homer Jay Simpson ---Your ranting, raving maniac, Necris Omega -------------------- Razordisk Frisbee Golf Posts: 168 | Registered: Saturday, October 26 2002 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Tuesday, July 15 2003 11:41
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Incidentally, most of my graphics are edits, as I've told everybody whom I've talked to about them. Some of them are partially from yours, Luz. I was going to tell you, but, having no way to contact you, did not. So now I have. I'm going to take most of them down, actually. I'm trying to learn how to make good original graphics. I'm sort of getting there. Maybe. -------------------- My Myspace, with some of my audial and visual art The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |