Article - The Moral of the Story
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BoE Posse
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written Monday, May 31 2004 13:47
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Kel - So, NK:0 was yours? I liked that one. Qalnor - There are many ways to interpret things, including both scenarios and articles. You don't see VoDT as preachy, though some do. Which of these interpretations is correct? Or are both valid? Who knows? Who really cares? There also seems to be many ways to interpret the article I wrote, though I only meant for there to be one. This is NOT an article about VoDT being preachy, or at least it is not meant as one. Rather, it accuses VoDT of shallowness. It's not my view that the scenario bashes you over the head with "Pollution is bad! Pollution is Bad! Pollution is bad! Pollution is Bad!", but that it says it once... and then completely ignores the issues attached to that. VoDT takes a modern issue and places it in a setting where it doesn't really belong, and then does nothing with that issue. Suppose you played a scenario where your country had been ruled by an evil dictator, but you were invaded by a great empire who deposed him, claiming that you possessed great artifacts of evil magic that could wreak havoc on the world. You play a guerilla trying to drive your occupiers out. Loaded situation. Now, what if that scenario made nothing of the possibilities of devastating anarchy once your occupiers are gone, or of another dictator taking power? What if it never addresses the issue that the men you kill came to help free you? What if it's just a basic hack 'em up? That scenario may not be 'preachy', but it would be a very shallow treatment of a very complicated issue. That's how I interpret VoDT. -------------------- Rate my scenarios! Areni Revenge To Live in Fear Deadly Goblins Ugantan Nightmare Isle of Boredom Posts: 1423 | Registered: Sunday, October 7 2001 07:00 |
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written Monday, May 31 2004 13:49
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About the baddie in VoDT: quote:Is a volcano bad? Is a tempest bad? No and there's no debate about that point. For the same reason, the pollution effect isn't bad. You need get a people to get a baddies. That's even more true because it was a 'baddie' from a moral point of view. Posts: 175 | Registered: Friday, April 2 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, May 31 2004 14:22
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quote:Vinnia motive are pretty clear for me, firstly she never new the existence of the push button, secondly she doesn't care murdering many people why she would care about a hypotetical future pollution that won't happen during her life? Vinnia is just ambitious, avid of power and she doesn't care of human life. No I really don't care to have that developed in the scenario. A really interesting development of that would have required much more text development than possible in this scenario. quote:I agree improving the archeological part could really improve the scenario. All the Vahnatai part should have been deeply changed, developed in a more subtil way. But I disagree that everything should be clear with 100% certitude. Anyway some holes should have been felt like why Pahlatis couldn't push the button and what was the difficulties of dialoguing with Vinnia. There are many possibilities to improve the scenario and developing its moral is certainly not the best. quote::D Posts: 175 | Registered: Friday, April 2 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, May 31 2004 14:32
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quote:Do you think that the people that destroyed the school knew the existence of the push button? Could you quote any fact showing that? quote:Hole like the "hole" you quoted above? There are holes but what are the holes? quote:Really? For me the hole is that the party could make the second guess. The first guest is coming from another part I didn't quoted here. I quote it: It says "Activate Purification Process. Danger - Safety Off" Next to the light is a tiny switch. You could push the switch. However, you're a tiny bit nervous about the whole Safety thing. At the reverse, I don't see any evidence that those assessment wasn't valid in the past. Saying the reverse is only pure guess based on no quoted fact. Or can you quote any? Posts: 175 | Registered: Friday, April 2 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, May 31 2004 14:40
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quote:Then, happily, it's not me that you're disagreeing with. :) I don't think this is necessary either. I do wish that it could be developed more, but not necessarily completely. Amazingly enough, I agree with almost everything that Vent's previous post said. I still reserve a few points of disagreement, but I think they're minor enough I'm not going to enumerate them. Yeah, Creator, that scen was mine. I'd been debating whether to claim it or not -- I remember it being terrible, despite the kind comments that I've received about it -- but I've decided that I will. It'll be on my website by the end of today. (And my website will be in my sig.) -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, May 31 2004 15:23
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quote:There are in fact few clues about that possibility but no evidence. BUT the clues or hints are so minor that I doubt that it's a valid assessment. quote:I think that it's not right, you are doing the same error than Thuryl: You are doing an interpration of more than there is in the text and you accuse your interpretation to not be coherent. In fact it just proves your interpretation is wrong. A first interpretation you are doing is that he didn't press the button because of time reason. Wrong, there's no evidence that time is the cause. Secondly, there's no evidence that this construct has been build for this occasion. Furthermore there are evidence that there's most chance it wasn't build for this occasion, another quote: Research done in the school: "Magical thinking devices. This is irrelevant to my message." quote:Again, I don't agree, there are evidence they had no clean-up mechanism ready and that Pahlatis build one during the last week. quote:I agree, and as he build up the cleaning solution during the last week, we could hope he knew how use it. quote:I disagree, when this was written by Palhatis he hadn't setup yet a cleanup solution. So "because he wants to clean up the waste" is wrong. quote:I agree, there's a strong hole here but I disagree that "it doesn't make sense". From the archeological point of view, there is a lack of clues to make an interpretation about this point. There's still a place forme some supposition that are neither complicate nor silly. So it's just a hole, nothing else. quote:I disagree, archeology is strongly based on inventing explanation, you never get 100% clear and certain conclusions. That said, some hole should have been fill, at least partialy. quote:I agree... and for my taste, that's a better way of improvement than developing the moral here. For a better moral development, the scenario should have been totally different in my opinion, at least in order to prevade a good fun. Posts: 175 | Registered: Friday, April 2 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, May 31 2004 17:39
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WHY DOES THIS TOPIC LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIVE -------------------- * Posts: 6936 | Registered: Tuesday, September 18 2001 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, June 1 2004 17:04
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Well apart from your post (and now mine) it's been dead for 5 hours.. and perhaps it intends to remain so. It's not beyond ressurection, but it's beyond the desires of most people to perform such a ressurection. But to answer your real question, the reason it lived as long as it did was because the argument heated up and once an argument heats nobody is content to say anything once, everything needs to be said until everyone is tired of saying what they insist upon saying over and over again and they are, furthermore, frustrated beyond wits end that everyone else seems to be doing the same, having not heard a bit of what they keep repeating. Posts: 191 | Registered: Monday, October 1 2001 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, June 1 2004 21:26
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The next long angry rant that gets posted here will result in the topic being locked. -------------------- Barcoorah: I even did it to a big dorset ram. New Mac BoE Posts: 1798 | Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00 |
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written Wednesday, June 2 2004 01:00
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Why? The topic is perfectly fine. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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written Wednesday, June 2 2004 01:34
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Because he has half an excuse is why. :P -------------------- Rate my scenarios! Areni Revenge To Live in Fear Deadly Goblins Ugantan Nightmare Isle of Boredom Posts: 1423 | Registered: Sunday, October 7 2001 07:00 |