Keyboard control

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Apprentice
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My wrist hurts. I'll buy Avernum 4 and Genforge 3 if there's a way to play them without using the mouse.
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In Avernum 4, you'll still need to use the mouse occasionally to target spells and missile weapons, select items, and so on, but many things (including moving from place to place) can be done with the keyboard.

Unfortunately, I don't think Geneforge 3 has keyboard movement, so you'd be using the mouse a lot more for that.

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Maybe a better quality mouse pad can help you out I know mine did.A mouse is better then a keyboard in games because it allows you to be more accurate.

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I'm faster and more accurate when using a keyboard.

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I use a mouse for those cross-country treks from, say, Fort Monastery to Silvar and the keyboard for any movement that requires any thought whatsoever.

—Alorael, who prefers to avoid the mouse in general. This forced him to purchase a keyboard to go with his laptop (numerical keypads are necessary!), and he now contemplates the engineering challenge of making some form of folding keyboard for laptops that duplicates the standard desktop keyboard.
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I miss the keyboard targetting of the previous Avernums. That's the only real problem I have with A4.
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I actually use the mouse for practically everything. It doesn't get too tired, and you can do practically everything with it. But I guess it can be prone to quick errors and the like.

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How would you implement keyboard-based targeting in a game with area-of-effect spells, anyway? The only solution I can think of would be to number all the rows and columns on the screen with a Battleship-style grid, allowing the player to type in "b7" or whatever to target the square at the centre of the area of effect.

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The cursor starts on the caster. You can move the cursor like a party member with the arrows and keypad or jump to a specific enemy by pressing the appropriate letter. Pressing enter fires the spell centered at wherever you have the cursor.

—Alorael, who can't say it's a particularly elegant solution, but it is a solution. If there weren't tiles, it would be even uglier.
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quote:
Originally written by Januarist Revolutionary:

—Alorael, who prefers to avoid the mouse in general. This forced him to purchase a keyboard to go with his laptop (numerical keypads are necessary!), and he now contemplates the engineering challenge of making some form of folding keyboard for laptops that duplicates the standard desktop keyboard.
Just buy a USB numeric keypad. They're not cheap, but they should do the job.

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quote:
Originally written by Thuryl:

How would you implement keyboard-based targeting in a game with area-of-effect spells, anyway? The only solution I can think of would be to number all the rows and columns on the screen with a Battleship-style grid, allowing the player to type in "b7" or whatever to target the square at the centre of the area of effect.
You could have letters appear over each visible enemy and have the user press the corresponding letter to who they want to blast. However, that means that you can't firestorm an empty section of ground.

Since the keyboard is a rather non-efficient way to do it, there's the mouse beside you, even if it is a mini USB optical plugged in the back of your laptop.

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Plugging something into a laptop to get the keypad isn't useful. If I'm already dealing with that, I might as well get a whole keyboard. It makes regular typing easier too.

—Alorael, whose household has, for reasons murky and probably immoral, twice as many mice as computers. He decided that a mouse would go nicely with his laptop and keyboard setup to make it more like a desktop when its planted on his desk. Instead, he finds himself randomly alternating between using the trackpad and the mouse. Go figure.
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quote:
Originally written by Januarist Revolutionary:

—Alorael, whose household has, for reasons murky and probably immoral, twice as many mice as computers. He decided that a mouse would go nicely with his laptop and keyboard setup to make it more like a desktop when its planted on his desk. Instead, he finds himself randomly alternating between using the trackpad and the mouse. Go figure.
I'm the same way. Even when my mouse is plugged into my laptop, I still use the touchpad quite frequently.

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I use an external mouse with my laptop whenever I haven't left it somewhere - which happens every now and then. The track pad is okay for many applications, but when it comes to computer games or graphics, it is impossible to use.

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Just games that require one hand on a mouse and one on a keyboard. Which is quite a few of them, but fortunately not Spiderweb Software games.

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Hey, some games work out all right. I can play Marathon via the trackpad. :)

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Alorael said:
Plugging something into a laptop to get the keypad isn't useful. If I'm already dealing with that, I might as well get a whole keyboard. It makes regular typing easier too.
A numpad is more portable. I'm not saying it's an ideal solution, but it's a compromise between carrying a whole keyboard around and not having a numpad at all.

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Has ANYONE managed to play Marathon with a mouse? When I tried it, the camera started acting weird and I settled for playing oldstyle, plain arrowkeyes plus ctrl for firing...

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You can play Geneforge 3 without a mouse, but you have to use Unklock spell to open all the door :D

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Originally written by :Slash::
Has ANYONE managed to play Marathon with a mouse? When I tried it, the camera started acting weird and I settled for playing oldstyle, plain arrowkeyes plus ctrl for firing...
I use the mouse to point the camera/character and just press/hold forward to move. I use the other movement keys to sidestep or retreat.

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quote:
Originally written by Drakefyre:

quote:
Originally written by :Slash::
Has ANYONE managed to play Marathon with a mouse? When I tried it, the camera started acting weird and I settled for playing oldstyle, plain arrowkeyes plus ctrl for firing...
I use the mouse to point the camera/character and just press/hold forward to move. I use the other movement keys to sidestep or retreat.

Yeah, thats what I did too. However, the camera was slow and hard to control, that I could barely aim my gun.

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-A scratch! Your arms off!
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-C'mon, you pansy!
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-Allright. We'll call it a draw then.
-Oh I see. Running away are we? You yellow bastard! Come back here and take whats coming for you! I'll bite your legs off!

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