On The Possibility of Objective Morality
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Shaper
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written Monday, March 28 2005 16:09
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Not speaking specifically of Thuryl, just in general or me. It seems the first one to take one's rightful place is annoying, but if they want it that bad it can be over looked (assuming it's a good day.) After a couple people do that same thing it starts to feel like one is being pushed around, or territory is being walked on. Feeling wronged by one person is frustrating; feeling wronged by many people will make anyone angry. [ Monday, March 28, 2005 16:10: Message edited by: Dolphin ] -------------------- Nena Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Monday, March 28 2005 23:44
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In my insight, any conscious act which disadvantages others, is wrong, simply. [ Tuesday, March 29, 2005 02:01: Message edited by: Mind ] Posts: 356 | Registered: Tuesday, April 6 2004 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Tuesday, March 29 2005 01:34
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If there was a universally objective perfect moral system for all human beings, then no one would be able to contest it because it would be able to stand up to all questioning. Every part of it would be right. Fortunately, because many things are questionable, it is not likely someone could create such a system. Various religious or political fundamentalists claim their system is the perfect moral system and can never be open to question. Usually this is through divine or philosophical revelation which ultimately can never be proven. Moral systems start from a single person often and spread throughout a society. At any given time there are some individuals who are capable of introducing radical changes of thought; enough to change a society completely. This usually happens when said individuals are challenged to their core of beliefs. There is always a chance that a person can have a strong impact. It is often because they are forced to make a compelling decision in life. -------------------- Wasting your time and mine looking for a good laugh. Star Bright, Star Light, Oh I Wish I May, I Wish Might, Wish For One Star Tonight. Posts: 1084 | Registered: Thursday, November 7 2002 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Tuesday, March 29 2005 21:11
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There is no objective moral system like there is no absolute language. Moral values exist within a group and adherence to them is the price the individual pays for being accepted by the group. Discussing moral values does make sense as part of the self-definition of a group- but otherwise it is of frustrating irrelevant abstractness. Posts: 311 | Registered: Friday, February 13 2004 08:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Thursday, March 31 2005 23:22
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Sorry to take so long to get back to this. I haven't been online in a while. So Thuryl, you object to things the nazis did simply because you feel (not necessarily belive) they were wrong? Please tell me if I misunderstood you. quote:Here's what I belive the universally objective perfect moral system for all human beings is, "Love your neighbor as you do yourself." (neighbor in this context meaning everyone, but you probably knew that) I would be interested as to what questioning you don't think it could stand up to. Or were you looking for one that was achievable? -------------------- Rate my scenarios! Areni Revenge To Live in Fear Deadly Goblins Ugantan Nightmare Isle of Boredom Posts: 1423 | Registered: Sunday, October 7 2001 07:00 |
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written Thursday, March 31 2005 23:55
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quote:Even to say that I "feel they were wrong" is putting it too strongly, because it implies I feel as if my feelings have applicability beyond myself. I just have a personal dislike for genocide and for those who support it, that's all. Consider undertakers as another example; even if I acknowledge that their work is necessary to keep society together and thus beneficial to me, I'd rather not attend a dinner party with one, because they're creepy. quote:So people who hate themselves to the point where they want to take their own lives ought to try and take as many other people out with them as possible? [ Friday, April 01, 2005 00:03: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Friday, April 1 2005 00:22
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So you dislike what they did, but you can't really explain why, and are of the opinion that it is impossible to explain why? (again, correct me if i'm wrong) As to the other issue: 1. Most people who kill themselves don't do it because they hate themselves. 2. People who do hate themselves still love themselves. 3. Those that hate themselves do so because they feel what they are doing is wrong, and only kill themselves if they can see no way out of it. This, combined with point two, would mean they should love others, but hate what they do, and only kill them if it is the only way to stop what they are doing, and the crime is serious enough to warrant it (after all, people don't kill themselves over shoplifting). Edit: I should rephrase that. People don't kill themselves from the guilt of shoplifting. They might do it out of fear, if they see death as an escape. [ Friday, April 01, 2005 00:35: Message edited by: The Creator ] -------------------- Rate my scenarios! Areni Revenge To Live in Fear Deadly Goblins Ugantan Nightmare Isle of Boredom Posts: 1423 | Registered: Sunday, October 7 2001 07:00 |
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written Friday, April 1 2005 01:33
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quote:Oh, I can explain why, but not in a way that'd necessarily be convincing to anyone else. Answering your second point would just lead to another ontology-fest centred around defining our terms, and I think we'd all have enough of those. [ Friday, April 01, 2005 01:36: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Shaper
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written Friday, April 1 2005 06:52
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Not everyone who kills themselves does it because there is something they feel they did wrong. They can also do it because someone did something to them. -------------------- Nena Posts: 2032 | Registered: Wednesday, January 26 2005 08:00 |
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written Friday, April 1 2005 12:51
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In any case, I'm inclined to suspect they're not motivated by being overjoyed with their lives as they currently are. -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
