WTF are we still in Iraq.
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This Side Towards Enemy
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written Sunday, January 25 2004 13:30
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Going to war with North Korea would be a bad idea, but for different reasons than the reasons why fighting Japan, China (in its guise of North Korean volunteers) and North Vietnam. In the first case, you had a culture of fighting to the death and an industrialised nation with well-trained soldiers and officers prepared to act decisively and a population which could be relied upon not to oppose the government too much. In the other two cases, there were experienced guerilla armies fighting on turf they knew reasonably well. In the second case, they had large numbers and good equipment and in Vietnam they had the advantage of terrain and fighting apathetic South Vietnamese and inexperienced GIs. The problem with attacking North Korea now is quite different. Their people are starving, don't really want Kim as leader and would overthrow him if the soldiers weren't so numerous. The problem is that they've most likely got nukes. They can't hit America with them, but they could use them tactically or alternatively reduce Tokyo to ruins. North Korea is one of those cases when fighting is not the best way to solve the problem. -------------------- Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned I'll tell you my story, man Though I wish I'd never been born I'm loose at the seams, I've broken my dreams And my hand it shakes the pen Come on, come on now baby, Let the good times roll again Posts: 961 | Registered: Thursday, June 12 2003 07:00 |
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written Sunday, January 25 2004 17:50
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quote:Uhg. Somebody, kill the topic, quick. -------------------- I want my Desert Plah back, (Drakey, check your PM's.) "Oh, North Wind, why frighten others? In Nature's family all are brothers. Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss; You can't frighten Shingebiss. Bring your frost and ice and snow; I'm still free to come and go. You can never frighten me, One who never fears is FREE!" -Shingebiss, the mighty duck Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00 |
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written Monday, January 26 2004 13:54
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quote:No. Iraq is nothing like Vietnam. We lost many more soldiers in Vietnam due to poor leadership and a drop in morale. Wars resolve more than you think. Think about what the people are fighting for. Some of them are foolish, but then again, diplomacy can't solve everything. I think that our leadership right now needs to concentrate on rebuilding Iraq. The military needs to concentrate on finding the rebels hiding. I'm hoping in 20 years we can look back and look at the accomplishments of this war, not at another Vietnam. -------------------- "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster... when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes back into you." -Friedrich Nietzsche "There is no dodging the quad laser." -Ugnagnok Posts: 469 | Registered: Thursday, November 14 2002 08:00 |
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written Monday, January 26 2004 16:21
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I am not saying this is a nother Vietnam. I am saying if things do not improve This war will turn into another Vietnam. I'm not talking about pulling out of Iraq. I am only asking one question. Does anyone want another Vietnam War? -------------------- Look Ma, I'm banned! Posts: 1046 | Registered: Friday, March 22 2002 08:00 |
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written Wednesday, January 28 2004 13:19
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quote:Whatever. And: quote: quote:EDIT: Oh, and we didn't win Viet Nam, this one is still going. [ Wednesday, January 28, 2004 13:21: Message edited by: Desert Plah ] -------------------- I want my Desert Plah back, (Drakey, check your PM's.) "Oh, North Wind, why frighten others? In Nature's family all are brothers. Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss; You can't frighten Shingebiss. Bring your frost and ice and snow; I'm still free to come and go. You can never frighten me, One who never fears is FREE!" -Shingebiss, the mighty duck Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00 |
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written Wednesday, January 28 2004 15:07
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quote: I attempt to kill the topic in the name of compassionate conservativism EDIT: Wait, how do you post pictures? [ Wednesday, January 28, 2004 15:19: Message edited by: Smugglers' Alliance, Chief of the ] -------------------- -WildKarrdeSmuggler ----------------------------------- Visit the Smuggler's Alliance Posts: 536 | Registered: Sunday, September 7 2003 07:00 |
Bob's Big Date
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written Wednesday, January 28 2004 15:19
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quote: [ Wednesday, January 28, 2004 22:25: Message edited by: Shuu Shirakawa ] -------------------- In a word, gay. --Bob the Impaler Posts: 2367 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
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written Wednesday, January 28 2004 20:52
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A Funny Internet cookie check it out. Go to Google, type "Weapons of Mass Destruction" and then clic on "I'm Feeling Lucky". You will get a curious Error message. -------------------- "I don't want to achieve immortality through my work, I want to achieve it through not dying." Posts: 469 | Registered: Thursday, May 1 2003 07:00 |
This Side Towards Enemy
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written Thursday, January 29 2004 05:44
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That's fine, but since everybody else on the internet has probably seen that page three times, it may not add much to the conversation. And you will find that many Iraqis are still imprisoned on pseudo-political grounds. I say pseudo-political because it's unclear what most of them have been arrested for, the military having been as helpful as ever. But it would appear that a sizeable proportion are guilty of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. -------------------- Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned I'll tell you my story, man Though I wish I'd never been born I'm loose at the seams, I've broken my dreams And my hand it shakes the pen Come on, come on now baby, Let the good times roll again Posts: 961 | Registered: Thursday, June 12 2003 07:00 |
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written Thursday, January 29 2004 13:11
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1. Alec, you're such a pessimist, and you always assume you're right. Many of these can be viewed as good or bad things, depending on how you feel about the world. I feel sorry for you in your case. 2. I don't claim that this is all a result of Bushie. 3. You always assume you're right. 4. When I see reports of tens of thousands of people dying of starvation in Iraq, I might accept a few of these. 5. You always assume that you're right. 6. We'll have to wait 50-60 years to find out if your predictions will come true. And thank you for allowing me to borrow your trademark numbering and repeated points. -------------------- I want my Desert Plah back, (Drakey, check your PM's.) "Oh, North Wind, why frighten others? In Nature's family all are brothers. Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss; You can't frighten Shingebiss. Bring your frost and ice and snow; I'm still free to come and go. You can never frighten me, One who never fears is FREE!" -Shingebiss, the mighty duck Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00 |
Bob's Big Date
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written Thursday, January 29 2004 16:27
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quote: -------------------- In a word, gay. --Bob the Impaler Posts: 2367 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
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written Thursday, January 29 2004 18:36
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Gersh-dang! Alec, what the heck is it you do for a living? Can't you just let me have the last word for once? -------------------- I want my Desert Plah back, (Drakey, check your PM's.) "Oh, North Wind, why frighten others? In Nature's family all are brothers. Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss; You can't frighten Shingebiss. Bring your frost and ice and snow; I'm still free to come and go. You can never frighten me, One who never fears is FREE!" -Shingebiss, the mighty duck Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00 |
Bob's Big Date
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written Thursday, January 29 2004 19:10
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I CONSUME THE DREAMS OF CHILDREN AND THE UNWORLDLY IN THE FORM OF A DELICIOUS POWDER -------------------- In a word, gay. --Bob the Impaler Posts: 2367 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
Agent
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written Friday, January 30 2004 14:39
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I know US souldn't pull out. US can't pull out actually. But if you think about it, niether the Iraqies or the Americans are benefiting from our present campaign. US must change there campaign significantly. -------------------- Look Ma, I'm banned! Posts: 1046 | Registered: Friday, March 22 2002 08:00 |
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written Saturday, January 31 2004 09:34
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Mabey for once our leaders will actually finish something fully, rather than getting halfway through and saying that the operation was a complete success. Sir David, are you one of those peace protesters who think that peaceful processes work for everything? You definately sound like one. If they spent half as much time looking for a solution rather than whining about the war mabey we'd have a better solution. -------------------- "He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not become a monster... when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss also gazes back into you." -Friedrich Nietzsche "There is no dodging the quad laser." -Ugnagnok Posts: 469 | Registered: Thursday, November 14 2002 08:00 |
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written Saturday, January 31 2004 10:06
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The Silent, Listen my friend. SirDavid is not a peace protestor. If you remember clearly my friend SirDavid was for going to war with Iraq. If anything I am the Peace protestor if you have been reading my posts carefully. In that matter you have something against me not SirDavid. So If you have something to say to me say it to me and not someone else my friend. -------------------- Look Ma, I'm banned! Posts: 1046 | Registered: Friday, March 22 2002 08:00 |
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written Saturday, January 31 2004 10:36
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Was there a point to this topic, according to the original post? Or has it been hijacked? Oh, wait, there is a question there. Answer: Because it's too late to pull out, and if we pull out now, or in the near future, Iraq won't get pregnant with the seeds of Americanization, which is actually slightly better than their former state. Actually, Alec: quote:says nix to your starvation and disease, hopefully. -------------------- I want my Desert Plah back, (Drakey, check your PM's.) "Oh, North Wind, why frighten others? In Nature's family all are brothers. Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss; You can't frighten Shingebiss. Bring your frost and ice and snow; I'm still free to come and go. You can never frighten me, One who never fears is FREE!" -Shingebiss, the mighty duck Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00 |
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written Sunday, February 1 2004 08:53
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I heard on the news that The Alqueda is now involved with the crises in Iraq. -------------------- Look Ma, I'm banned! Posts: 1046 | Registered: Friday, March 22 2002 08:00 |
This Side Towards Enemy
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written Sunday, February 1 2004 11:49
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That's been theorised for ages, but there's minor matter of the massive lack of evidence. Al-Qaeda isn't a conventional state - it doesn't have the power to singlehandedly destabilise Iraq. Many Muslim extremist groups are not Al-Qaeda. But Muslim extremists are grouped under that general banner. My general understanding of Al-Qaeda is that since its powerbase in Afghanistan was shattered, it hasn't been able to field that many fighters. Rather, its strength is in foreign sleeper cells who will take years to organise a bombing if they do anything at all and who are unlikely to have the capability to keep a campaign of terror going beyond the first bombing. -------------------- Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned I'll tell you my story, man Though I wish I'd never been born I'm loose at the seams, I've broken my dreams And my hand it shakes the pen Come on, come on now baby, Let the good times roll again Posts: 961 | Registered: Thursday, June 12 2003 07:00 |
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written Monday, February 2 2004 16:33
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No The Alqueda is not a state. And not all the Muslium Terrorist groups in the MidEast is under the Alqueda umbrella. But before 9/11 and the War on Terrorism the Alqueda was one of the largest Terrorist-Criminal organization in the world. Binladden is envolved with much more than terrorism. Along with terrorism he is envolved with extortion and Drug trafficing. And probably much more. All though I doubt Binladden was connected with Saddame. Actually from my sources Binladden and Saddame where bitter enemies. But Binladden is no longer the King Pin of the Alqueda. Some one else has taken his place and Osama is now a mere Figure Head of the organization he built through terrorizing people. But somehow The Alqueda is connected with the radical Muslium groups killing US and UK troops in Iraq. -------------------- Look Ma, I'm banned! Posts: 1046 | Registered: Friday, March 22 2002 08:00 |
Apprentice
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written Friday, February 6 2004 14:07
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lord of evil i see your point about us being there but why not bother rebuild thing that were destroyed like houses and schools. how would you feel if some one came to your house ripped you out of it took you away and then destroyed it . huh tell me. i bet you would hate them or atleast wish they had not done it. that is why we are there rebuilding what we destroyed. -------------------- life sucks then you die Posts: 5 | Registered: Friday, February 6 2004 08:00 |
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written Friday, February 6 2004 15:38
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Exactly, as I've stated earlier, thousands of schools are open, as well as secondary schools, clinics, and hospitals. Thousands of kilometers of irrigation canals are now bringing water to farms everywhere, helping to feed Iraqi people. I'd sacrifice myself to a roadside bomb in order to feed someone else, really. I think that answers the question. [ Friday, February 06, 2004 15:40: Message edited by: Desert Plah ] -------------------- I want my Desert Plah back, (Drakey, check your PM's.) "Oh, North Wind, why frighten others? In Nature's family all are brothers. Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss; You can't frighten Shingebiss. Bring your frost and ice and snow; I'm still free to come and go. You can never frighten me, One who never fears is FREE!" -Shingebiss, the mighty duck Posts: 830 | Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00 |