The next spidweb game.
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Lifecrafter
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written Saturday, August 23 2003 08:51
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Trying to keep it simple. Poll Information This poll contains 5 question(s). 54 user(s) have voted. You may not view the results of this poll without voting. function launch_voter () { launch_window("http://www.ironycentral.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=poll;d=vote;pollid=UyhnbZyCJIsv"); return true; } // end launch_voter function launch_viewer () { launch_window("http://www.ironycentral.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=poll;d=view;pollid=UyhnbZyCJIsv"); return true; } // end launch_viewer function launch_window (url) { preview = window.open( url, "preview", "width=550,height=300,toolbar=no,location=no,directories=no,status,menubar=no,scrollbars,resizable,copyhistory=no" ); window.preview.focus(); return preview; } // end launch_window  [/url]  [/url]-------------------- Tip of the Day: #13 Stand clear the closing door. That's treason. (THNIK)(Peculiar James, FP productions co, inc) Posts: 816 | Registered: Friday, October 5 2001 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Saturday, August 23 2003 13:14
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Perhaps Jeff should colaborate with others using the the internet. Maybe they can make some of the grapics/programming for free, appear in the credits, and use this as work experience when looking for a job for a bigger software company. who knows... Posts: 8 | Registered: Sunday, June 22 2003 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Saturday, August 23 2003 14:13
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What I'd especially like to see is another game set in Ermarian (that's the world of Exile/Avernum FYI); doesn't necessarily need to be set after A3/E3, but should explain a lot more about the background of the world. But that's just my opinion, and I bet the people here who'd agree with me on this can be counted on one hand. Besides Jeff has said he'll never do it anyway.  Another Geneforge could be cool, but I'm in no position to say that since I only ever played half the demo of G1, and that was a year ago. My current PC can't run Geneforge, nor Avernum 3...  Jeff might hire some additional programmer, that would perhaps cut down on development time. And the next one to suggest he should get a job at a large company will be executed slowly.  You'll see, the best game makers are the independant ones; especially concerning RPGs. Large companies focus too much on the graphics, and have too little time to work on a decent plot.-------------------- "And all should cry, Beware, Beware! His Flashing eyes, his Floating hair!" S. T. Coleridge --- "It is as if everyone had lost their sense Consigned themselves to downfall and decadence And a wisp it is they have chosen as their beacon." Reinhard Mey. --- Quote of the Week: "I have a high opinion of myself, which makes up for my total lack of intelligence." Anon. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Saturday, August 23 2003 14:17
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If I remember correctly, he took graphic submissions for Avernum, but the fact is, collaboration between two independent developers can be disasterous. Best to let Jeff do his own thing. -------------------- The many faces of Logalot -------------------- Polaris Roleplaying and Debating Board- 'Nuf said -------------------- Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw Posts: 780 | Registered: Friday, February 1 2002 08:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Saturday, August 23 2003 17:24
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I think the poll could have benefited from multiple choice answers for the question about which is most important to you (perhaps rewording the question to 'which of these elements is important to you'). I answered lots of story, but could just easily have gone for lots of NPCs with personalities (probably one reason why A3 isn't my favourite Spiderweb game - all those boring generic NPCs) or for puzzles, challenge, and new interesting twists. All three of these elements are part of what makes Spiderweb games enjoyable for me. In a way graphics are important too - primarily because they are NOT game-slowing, resource-hungry, state of the art graphics that require the latest gee-whiz computer to run at a reasonable speed. If Spiderweb had graphics like that, I wouldn't have purchased the games as they'd be unplayable on my system. -------------------- We meet and part now over all the world; we, the lost company, take hands together in the night, forget the night in our brief happiness, silently. -- Judith Wright My website Posts: 512 | Registered: Wednesday, February 12 2003 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Sunday, August 24 2003 01:08
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So...conclusions: 1. A new fantasy RPG. 2. Make sure it has an outstanding story, NPC personality. 3. Puzzles, challenges - no shiite. 4. Jeff should try to get help but stay in control. 5. A really really smart white male between the ages of 9 and 22 1/2 puts a small piece of putty in an undead jelly filled dragon-scaled statuette animated by the powers of craziness inhabiting these boards and concludes that this poll stinks. -------------------- I'm tired of the strain and the pain, ohhh, I'm tired of the strain and the pain. Lair of Blades Wise Forums Desperance Polaris Bash Posts: 1112 | Registered: Friday, July 19 2002 07:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Sunday, August 24 2003 02:09
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Those of you that haven't had a chance to play GF2 don't know that GF3 is set up perfectly in the ending. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Vahnatai Did Do It desperance.net - We're Everywhere The Arena - God Will Sort The Dead ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Sunday, August 24 2003 02:11
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So GF3 will definitely come, then? Hope I get a new comp in the meantime...  -------------------- "And all should cry, Beware, Beware! His Flashing eyes, his Floating hair!" S. T. Coleridge --- "It is as if everyone had lost their sense Consigned themselves to downfall and decadence And a wisp it is they have chosen as their beacon." Reinhard Mey. --- Quote of the Week: "I have a high opinion of myself, which makes up for my total lack of intelligence." Anon. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Sunday, August 24 2003 03:27
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My conclusions: 1. A new RPG, preferably Fantasy, but Sci-Fi or Historical would be ok as well. 2. Atmosphere! Ominous and creepy, keeping you on the edge of your seat through long, caffeine-drenched nights. A good story is vital, and so is a good challenge, but Atmosphere is everything. (This is why Nethegate and E2 are the best of Spiderweb's games) 3. I haven't registered GF or BoE, and I'm on a PC so as the Macnazi would say: No GF2 for you! 4. I think Jeff can do it more or less alone, how much help he wants to employ is totally up to him. 5. Pretty darn handsome. I think we'll have to wait a looong time for a really new game. We'll have BoA, GF3 and probably a "Blades (or something) of Geneforge" as well. Dou you know what I'd like to see after BoG? Geneforge on the Exile 3 engine. Or on something like the Arcanum game engine. If you have to try your hand at this isometric thingie, then either make it real pretty, or totally retro (I'm thinking Ultima 6 Stylee). -------------------- Contradictions get me everything I want. Love is all. Love is Evil. Posts: 148 | Registered: Tuesday, May 13 2003 07:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Sunday, August 24 2003 03:59
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A GF based on the Exile engine would be like a StarWars movie reenacted in B/W, without sound, IMHO. Not that the Exile engine sucks, it's just that the Geneforge one is more highly developed. I know that too much graphic quality distracts from the game plot, but I found the GF engine much easier to handle than Exile, and in some places Avernum (Do you know how much time I sometimes spend trying to get on the space exactly in front of a door, because the interface always makes my party take two steps at once?). I'd much more like to see the contrary: A remake of Exile/Avernum based on the GF engine.  -------------------- "And all should cry, Beware, Beware! His Flashing eyes, his Floating hair!" S. T. Coleridge --- "It is as if everyone had lost their sense Consigned themselves to downfall and decadence And a wisp it is they have chosen as their beacon." Reinhard Mey. --- Quote of the Week: "I have a high opinion of myself, which makes up for my total lack of intelligence." Anon. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Sunday, August 24 2003 04:15
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Anything with Jar Jar Binks in it would be better without sound so It's not that the Geneforge engine sucks, it's just horribly unattractive. I don't think too much graphics quality detracts from plot, I just think some people don't realize the importance of a good story (or can't come up with one) so they try (and fail) to compensate with flashy graphics. We've already had the graphics of Exile downgraded twice. Enough already. (One thing I do like about the Avernums though is the new stat/skill system.) -------------------- Contradictions get me everything I want. Love is all. Love is Evil. Posts: 148 | Registered: Tuesday, May 13 2003 07:00 |
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Babelicious
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written Sunday, August 24 2003 11:32
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quote:That's not a fact at all. Unless one of them is a pig-headed primadonna with an extremely inflated self concept, two skilled developers can create much better work than either alone. Oh, wait. Never mind. Posts: 999 | Registered: Friday, June 27 2003 07:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Monday, August 25 2003 07:07
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Two things about the geneforge engine i didn't like: Moving the middle screen around (I don't know what to call it.) to see where you are going was difficult, ie you had to switch hands on the keyboard or move the mouse over to the minimap and move it back every time. and: I couldn't see items well enough to suit me. On the whole, though, it is a great engine. And it may be fixed by now. The collaboration question was not serious, I know it won't really happen, I just wanted to know what everyone else thought. ps. I would never describe myself as: this poll stinks. -------------------- Tip of the Day: #13 Stand clear the closing door. That's treason. (THNIK)(Peculiar James, FP productions co, inc) Posts: 816 | Registered: Friday, October 5 2001 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Monday, August 25 2003 08:09
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Of course, BoA is going to be next now Jeff has GF2 out the way. Will GF3 be next after that? Almost certainly, given the 'last door' hook Jeff left at the end of GF2. Posts: 2333 | Registered: Monday, January 7 2002 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Monday, August 25 2003 12:28
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And bog after that! -------------------- "And all should cry, Beware, Beware! His Flashing eyes, his Floating hair!" S. T. Coleridge --- "It is as if everyone had lost their sense Consigned themselves to downfall and decadence And a wisp it is they have chosen as their beacon." Reinhard Mey. --- Quote of the Week: "I have a high opinion of myself, which makes up for my total lack of intelligence." Anon. Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Monday, August 25 2003 19:05
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In my opinion, the Geneforge engine sucked goats and the Geneforge series as a whole couldn't hold a candle to Avernum's cool factor. But since Avernum's cool factor would be significantly lowered by an Avernum 4, new fantasy series gets my vote. Posts: 236 | Registered: Wednesday, October 3 2001 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Monday, August 25 2003 19:30
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For the first question, the question was the 'next type' of Spiderweb game ... so I assumed that you meant a new type (given that GF2 & BOA are the current types, either recently released or in the works). As for the last question, I'm neither male nor under 22 and a 1/2. And while I may be reasonably intelligent, I don't consider myself really really smart. Ignoring the other silly options, I was left with 'this poll stinks'. -------------------- We meet and part now over all the world; we, the lost company, take hands together in the night, forget the night in our brief happiness, silently. -- Judith Wright My website Posts: 512 | Registered: Wednesday, February 12 2003 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Tuesday, August 26 2003 10:59
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i would like to see a game about the first expedition. this game has only one objective. get the hell out of exile/avernum, alive. -------------------- Call 1-800-NOT-1337 -------------------- Disturbing the dead since 1986. -------------------- All your ass are belong to ME! -------------------- NEVER underestimate your enemies Never OVERestimate your friends Posts: 91 | Registered: Tuesday, August 26 2003 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Wednesday, August 27 2003 01:32
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I think it would be quite cool to see a game with a slightly different or more interesting stats or magic system. The current 'get experience points and spend them on stats' and 'buy/find spells and spend MP on using them' is fine, but it would be interesting to see it work a bit differently. I like the way, for example, in the Final Fantasy series, theres always a different system for each game. -------------------- Riot Shields Voodoo Economics It's just business Cattle prods And the IMF I trust I can rely on your vote Posts: 530 | Registered: Sunday, September 1 2002 07:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Wednesday, August 27 2003 06:52
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M6mmi: that would by a good idea for a BoE scenario. They don't ALL have to come after E3. My deepest apologies, Kyna. And as to the collaboration question, the real reason I included it was to see how many spidweb members would be interested in helping. I probably should have worded it: I would like to help or would be interested in having other spidwebbers help. X: so we have plenty of time to come up with an idea for the next series! -------------------- Tip of the Day: #13 Stand clear the closing door. That's treason. (THNIK)(Peculiar James, FP productions co, inc) Posts: 816 | Registered: Friday, October 5 2001 07:00 |