Profile for Johnh81818
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| Title | Apprentice |
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written Monday, March 29 2004 09:54
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quote:I completely accept your point of view and I have read how this issue was addressed, but I feel that Chuck was merely mis-stating "weakness" for "lack of strength". I'm not saying that someone who does not commit suicide is stronger than someone who doesn't, just that in SOME cases, the cause of suicide may have been the arising of a problem that a given person is unable to cope with, or a problem that the given person does not believe (s)he can cope with. quote:I wasn't interpreting hell, necessarily, merely the fact that some suicidal people are attempting to 'cease to exist', because they find existence painful. Presuming there is a form of afterlife, and thought/existence does exist in this afterlife, there is a possibility that the pain of existence may still exist, and possibly for eternity. As such, I was trying to show that the pain is not a punishment from Deity, but a self-inflicted punishment, or a pain that is just there. I was also trying to prevent the introduction of only Christianity, but all religions (which is why I said 'Deity' instead of 'God' - seeing how 'Deity' is more religiously applicable). Posts: 2 | Registered: Sunday, March 28 2004 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Sunday, March 28 2004 17:45
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Sorry about the one-post wonder, and for not reading the entire topic, but it's a very important topic, and one that needs to be discussed. Concerning suicide, there are several causes, and each person is different. Suicide could be caused by several things. I once saw a statistic that 80% of suicides occur without any prior sign. This leads people to assume that most suicides occur within a few hours of suicidal thoughts. Of course because we can not get into the minds of one who has committed suicide, we can not be certain. Analyzing: Suicide can be a sign of weakness, or rather a lack of strength (or a belief in lack of strength) to face a seemingly insurmountable problem. If one believes they CAN NOT face the problem, the person tries to escape the problem. In this situation, suicide is an escapist action, which is generally considered a weakness by society, though I prefer the statement 'lack of strength', because, depending on the problem, the suicidal person may be very strong, just not strong enough. Also, for the statement that Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem. I would presume that suicidal people are attracted to suicide because it IS a permanent solution. It's the only thing needed to end all pain. Unfortunately, it also ends all joy, and causes pain to those nearby. Concerning the not thinking after suicide: That is presuming that Deity is non-existant, which is what I presume most suicidal people hope - because most religions believe that suicide will be punished in an afterlife (including Islam, strangely enough, so those suicide bombers in Pakistan are actually disobeying their beliefs.) If afterlife does exist, thinking still exists and thus the pain may still exist, except this time there WILL be no end. I myself was scared away from suicide due to the fact that an afterlife might possibly exist (showing that if religion is false, it is still important to constrain personalities that are dangerous to society). Concerning all people being insane: True, no one person is truly rational, but to be truly rational would be to know ALL truth. OK, so that's not quite true. Whether one is considered rational or not (or insane or not, for that matter) is decided by society. I am sure there are some suicidal people out there who have compared the pain of life to the pain of death, and come to a rational conclusion. On the other hand, those who commit suicide based off of a single event are more likely to have their thoughts clouded, or disrupted from normal behavior by shock, emotions, and other things. Last words to say: we must all be ready to help those who might commit suicide. Suicide usually comes to those we least expect it of, so we must be ready to console, and to help these people through their rough life. A suicidal person who talks to you about their thoughts does not truly wish to die, they just want the pain and suffering to end. Also remember: A rational suicidalist may not talk about suicide, and will also try to appear otherwise, because they know that letting others know decreases their chances of success. There I've gone and done it again, talking about what I think on a subject. I would like to appologize in advanced to any whom may be offended by my writing, and would also remind those who read this that this writing is ENITRELY OPINION, and as such I do not claim any of this to be true. Posts: 2 | Registered: Sunday, March 28 2004 08:00 |