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Shock Trooper
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written Tuesday, April 18 2006 19:53
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How do you pronounce "lich"? I can think of several different ways (/leek/, /lick/, /litch/, /leech/, /like/…) but which is right? I mean, I'd feel a bit silly saying "I just fought a 'leech' for the tip of Demonslayer" if that wasn't right… :D -------------------- A C, an E-flat, and a G walk into the Tower of the Magi. Ambrin walks up to them and says, "Hey! It's the Triad!" Kelner snorts and says, "Pretty minor Triad if you ask me." Posts: 242 | Registered: Thursday, June 16 2005 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Tuesday, April 18 2006 20:01
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It's as if it were spelled "litch." The I is short, and the CH is a standard affricate. Fun fact: the term actually derives from an Anglo-Saxon word meaning "a dead body." -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, April 19 2006 06:38
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quote:Awesome. =D Lic-sar gebad atol æglæca. [ Wednesday, April 19, 2006 06:39: Message edited by: Erika Maroonmark ] -------------------- A C, an E-flat, and a G walk into the Tower of the Magi. Ambrin walks up to them and says, "Hey! It's the Triad!" Kelner snorts and says, "Pretty minor Triad if you ask me." Posts: 242 | Registered: Thursday, June 16 2005 07:00 |
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Master
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written Wednesday, April 19 2006 16:55
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I always say "litch" too. Sounds right. To me. -------------------- -ben4808 Posts: 3360 | Registered: Friday, June 25 2004 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Thursday, April 20 2006 23:00
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Oh. I would have pronounced the -ch as in the Scottish 'loch', or similar to the -ch sound in German. -------------------- I think this is really wonderful. Posts: 147 | Registered: Tuesday, October 18 2005 07:00 |
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Shaper
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written Thursday, April 20 2006 23:04
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I have always read it as "leash", but hey, thats me. -------------------- I'll put a Spring in your step. :ph34r: Posts: 2396 | Registered: Saturday, January 29 2005 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Friday, April 21 2006 05:59
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quote:That's what was confusing me– it depended on what the etymology was. If it were from Greek or something, then the ch would be pronounced /k/, for example… but now that I know it's from Anglo-Saxon, it makes perfect sense. ^_^ -------------------- A C, an E-flat, and a G walk into the Tower of the Magi. Ambrin walks up to them and says, "Hey! It's the Triad!" Kelner snorts and says, "Pretty minor Triad if you ask me." Posts: 242 | Registered: Thursday, June 16 2005 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Friday, April 21 2006 06:35
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Yes, the etymology is the difference. "Loch" is a borrowing from a Celtic language in which the fricative (like the German CH) existed. "Lich" is from an Old English word "lic" — originally pronounced like "lick" — that was eventually palatalized to "lich." For those of you who read IPA, the OED gives the pronunciation as "lɪtʃ." -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Friday, April 21 2006 07:09
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I've always prounounced it "litch" -------------------- And everybody say....Yatta! Posts: 1287 | Registered: Thursday, August 14 2003 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Friday, April 21 2006 08:39
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So how would you all pronounce "lichen"? I was taught two different ways. -------------------- I think this is really wonderful. Posts: 147 | Registered: Tuesday, October 18 2005 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Friday, April 21 2006 11:28
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I've only ever heard it pronounced like "liken". quote:Really? I always thought that "c" was pronounced "ch" in OE, at least in certain positions. At least in that one. (Unless you're talking about something older than OE, and it was palatalized in OE, in which case I wouldn't know. I don't know if I would know anyway. XD) -------------------- A C, an E-flat, and a G walk into the Tower of the Magi. Ambrin walks up to them and says, "Hey! It's the Triad!" Kelner snorts and says, "Pretty minor Triad if you ask me." Posts: 242 | Registered: Thursday, June 16 2005 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Friday, April 21 2006 11:36
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quote:I personally call it "liken", but I do know others who call it "Litchen". It just depends on where you've been brought up. - Archmagus Micael -------------------- "You dare Trifle with Avernum?" ~ Erika the Archmage -------------------- My Scenarios: Undead Valley : A small Undead problem, what could possibly go wrong? -------------------- Richard Black - PROOF of his existance (the Infernal one's website). -------------------- MY FORUM! Randomosity at it's highest! :) Posts: 1370 | Registered: Thursday, June 10 2004 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Friday, April 21 2006 12:31
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The "laiken" pronunciation of "lichen" is the only one of which the OED approves. As far as how C was pronounced in Old English, there's something of an issue of which OE you're talking about. I was under the impression that most C palatalizations (before front vowels, for instance: cêse -> cheese) took place during the Old English period, because they show up in Middle English orthography but not in Old English orthography. I am not by any means an Anglo-Saxonist, however, so I don't know for certain. Wikipedia would have this info. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Friday, April 21 2006 15:50
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Maybe. Or maybe that trend in the orthography was a result of French influence. Wikipedia says "Before a consonant letter the pronunciation is always /k/; word-finally after i it is always /(IPA symbol for "ch", which my computer doesn't like)/. Otherwise a knowledge of the historical linguistics of the word in question is needed to predict which pronunciation is needed." No wonder I could never keep those rules straight. >>; -------------------- A C, an E-flat, and a G walk into the Tower of the Magi. Ambrin walks up to them and says, "Hey! It's the Triad!" Kelner snorts and says, "Pretty minor Triad if you ask me." Posts: 242 | Registered: Thursday, June 16 2005 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Tuesday, April 25 2006 23:39
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i would of gone with "leek." It would be fun when being asked what sort of monster I want in my Soul Crystal-"Honey, I'm going for a Lich (leek)." -------------------- When you think you can't get any lower in life and hit rock bottom, God hands you a shovel. Why should I say somthin intelligent when idiots like you make me look intelligent in the first place. Posts: 615 | Registered: Friday, May 3 2002 07:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Wednesday, April 26 2006 04:20
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Damn bastard language. -------------------- ??? ?????? ???? ????? Posts: 883 | Registered: Wednesday, October 19 2005 07:00 |
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BANNED
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written Wednesday, April 26 2006 08:37
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I've always read it as"Litch" -------------------- I am an idiot. Posts: 775 | Registered: Friday, October 11 2002 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Wednesday, April 26 2006 11:21
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quote:Or, "I'm taking a lich." However, it is not to be. But it makes my inner linguist happy. XD -------------------- A C, an E-flat, and a G walk into the Tower of the Magi. Ambrin walks up to them and says, "Hey! It's the Triad!" Kelner snorts and says, "Pretty minor Triad if you ask me." Posts: 242 | Registered: Thursday, June 16 2005 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Saturday, April 29 2006 00:10
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quote:Lighten up and please get a sense of humour. -------------------- When you think you can't get any lower in life and hit rock bottom, God hands you a shovel. Why should I say somthin intelligent when idiots like you make me look intelligent in the first place. Posts: 615 | Registered: Friday, May 3 2002 07:00 |
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written Saturday, April 29 2006 01:53
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That is her sense of humour. She's insulting the English language, not you. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Saturday, April 29 2006 05:07
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I think there are quite a lot of variable pronounciations. Do you say Rakasha Ra-Kar-Sha or Rackasha? Most of them are down to decision. I also wonder about Citrach- Sit-Rash or Sit-Rach as in arch? -------------------- Deedle Doot Doot Dee Dee- Let's all go to cat Town- www.spatch.net/cattown The homepage of insanity http://mrsporkula.piczo.com Step Lightly, Stay Free Posts: 21 | Registered: Saturday, April 15 2006 07:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Saturday, April 29 2006 05:25
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It helps if you can, you know, spell the words, because both of your pronunciations of "rakshasa" are horribly wrong. That is also a real word, borrowed into English from Sanskrit, and the correct pronunciation is RAHK-shah-sah (the A's are pronounced as in "father"). Chitrach, on the other hand, is not a real English word, but your pronunciations are still pretty blatantly wrong, because "chi" never says "si" in English. I've always pronounced it as naturally as I could: CHIT-ratch. Jeff may have had "chitin" in mind when he made up the word, though, and if so, it would be pronounced entirely differently. (It would sound like "kite-rack.") [ Saturday, April 29, 2006 05:27: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Saturday, April 29 2006 08:30
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For a mixture, I pronounce it CHIT-rack. —Alorael, who pronounces rakshasa TEE-EM. Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Saturday, April 29 2006 10:43
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quote:English has been called the bastard language for hundreds of years. It has been called that because it is the bastard child of just about all indo-european languages. -------------------- ??? ?????? ???? ????? Posts: 883 | Registered: Wednesday, October 19 2005 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Saturday, April 29 2006 10:48
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quote:What does that make American English then? The bastard's bastard child? - Archmagus Micael -------------------- "You dare Trifle with Avernum?" ~ Erika the Archmage -------------------- My Scenarios: Undead Valley : A small Undead problem, what could possibly go wrong? -------------------- Richard Black - PROOF of his existance (the Infernal one's website). -------------------- MY FORUM! Randomosity at it's highest! :) Posts: 1370 | Registered: Thursday, June 10 2004 07:00 |
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