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Shock Trooper
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How do you pronounce "lich"? I can think of several different ways (/leek/, /lick/, /litch/, /leech/, /like/…) but which is right? I mean, I'd feel a bit silly saying "I just fought a 'leech' for the tip of Demonslayer" if that wasn't right… :D

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A C, an E-flat, and a G walk into the Tower of the Magi.
Ambrin walks up to them and says, "Hey! It's the Triad!"
Kelner snorts and says, "Pretty minor Triad if you ask me."
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It's as if it were spelled "litch." The I is short, and the CH is a standard affricate.

Fun fact: the term actually derives from an Anglo-Saxon word meaning "a dead body."

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Shock Trooper
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quote:
Originally written by Kelandon:

the term actually derives from an Anglo-Saxon word meaning "a dead body."
Awesome. =D
Lic-sar gebad atol æglæca.

[ Wednesday, April 19, 2006 06:39: Message edited by: Erika Maroonmark ]

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A C, an E-flat, and a G walk into the Tower of the Magi.
Ambrin walks up to them and says, "Hey! It's the Triad!"
Kelner snorts and says, "Pretty minor Triad if you ask me."
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Master
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I always say "litch" too. Sounds right. To me.

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Oh. I would have pronounced the -ch as in the Scottish 'loch', or similar to the -ch sound in German.

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I have always read it as "leash", but hey, thats me.

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Shock Trooper
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quote:
Originally written by Thin Air:

Oh. I would have pronounced the -ch as in the Scottish 'loch', or similar to the -ch sound in German.
That's what was confusing me– it depended on what the etymology was. If it were from Greek or something, then the ch would be pronounced /k/, for example… but now that I know it's from Anglo-Saxon, it makes perfect sense. ^_^

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A C, an E-flat, and a G walk into the Tower of the Magi.
Ambrin walks up to them and says, "Hey! It's the Triad!"
Kelner snorts and says, "Pretty minor Triad if you ask me."
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Yes, the etymology is the difference. "Loch" is a borrowing from a Celtic language in which the fricative (like the German CH) existed. "Lich" is from an Old English word "lic" — originally pronounced like "lick" — that was eventually palatalized to "lich."

For those of you who read IPA, the OED gives the pronunciation as "l&#x026At&#x0283."

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Agent
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I've always prounounced it "litch"

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Warrior
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So how would you all pronounce "lichen"? I was taught two different ways.

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Shock Trooper
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I've only ever heard it pronounced like "liken".

quote:
Originally written by Kelandon:

Yes, the etymology is the difference. "Loch" is a borrowing from a Celtic language in which the fricative (like the German CH) existed. "Lich" is from an Old English word "lic" — originally pronounced like "lick" — that was eventually palatalized to "lich."
Really? I always thought that "c" was pronounced "ch" in OE, at least in certain positions. At least in that one. (Unless you're talking about something older than OE, and it was palatalized in OE, in which case I wouldn't know. I don't know if I would know anyway. XD)

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A C, an E-flat, and a G walk into the Tower of the Magi.
Ambrin walks up to them and says, "Hey! It's the Triad!"
Kelner snorts and says, "Pretty minor Triad if you ask me."
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Agent
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quote:
Originally written by Thin Air:

So how would you all pronounce "lichen"? I was taught two different ways.
I personally call it "liken", but I do know others who call it "Litchen". It just depends on where you've been brought up.

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The "laiken" pronunciation of "lichen" is the only one of which the OED approves.

As far as how C was pronounced in Old English, there's something of an issue of which OE you're talking about. I was under the impression that most C palatalizations (before front vowels, for instance: cêse -> cheese) took place during the Old English period, because they show up in Middle English orthography but not in Old English orthography. I am not by any means an Anglo-Saxonist, however, so I don't know for certain. Wikipedia would have this info.

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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Shock Trooper
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Maybe. Or maybe that trend in the orthography was a result of French influence.
Wikipedia says "Before a consonant letter the pronunciation is always /k/; word-finally after i it is always /(IPA symbol for "ch", which my computer doesn't like)/. Otherwise a knowledge of the historical linguistics of the word in question is needed to predict which pronunciation is needed."
No wonder I could never keep those rules straight. >>;

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A C, an E-flat, and a G walk into the Tower of the Magi.
Ambrin walks up to them and says, "Hey! It's the Triad!"
Kelner snorts and says, "Pretty minor Triad if you ask me."
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i would of gone with "leek." It would be fun when being asked what sort of monster I want in my Soul Crystal-"Honey, I'm going for a Lich (leek)."

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Damn bastard language.

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I've always read it as"Litch"

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Shock Trooper
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quote:
Originally written by Cairo Jim:

i would of gone with "leek." It would be fun when being asked what sort of monster I want in my Soul Crystal-"Honey, I'm going for a Lich (leek)."
Or, "I'm taking a lich."
However, it is not to be. But it makes my inner linguist happy. XD

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A C, an E-flat, and a G walk into the Tower of the Magi.
Ambrin walks up to them and says, "Hey! It's the Triad!"
Kelner snorts and says, "Pretty minor Triad if you ask me."
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Originally written by radix malorum est cupiditas:

Damn bastard language.
Lighten up and please get a sense of humour.

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That is her sense of humour. She's insulting the English language, not you.

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I think there are quite a lot of variable pronounciations. Do you say Rakasha Ra-Kar-Sha or Rackasha? Most of them are down to decision. I also wonder about Citrach- Sit-Rash or
Sit-Rach as in arch?

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It helps if you can, you know, spell the words, because both of your pronunciations of "rakshasa" are horribly wrong. That is also a real word, borrowed into English from Sanskrit, and the correct pronunciation is RAHK-shah-sah (the A's are pronounced as in "father").

Chitrach, on the other hand, is not a real English word, but your pronunciations are still pretty blatantly wrong, because "chi" never says "si" in English. I've always pronounced it as naturally as I could: CHIT-ratch. Jeff may have had "chitin" in mind when he made up the word, though, and if so, it would be pronounced entirely differently. (It would sound like "kite-rack.")

[ Saturday, April 29, 2006 05:27: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens.
Smoo: Get ready to face the walls!
Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr.

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For a mixture, I pronounce it CHIT-rack.

—Alorael, who pronounces rakshasa TEE-EM.
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quote:
Originally written by Cairo Jim:

quote:
Originally written by radix malorum est cupiditas:

Damn bastard language.
Lighten up and please get a sense of humour.

English has been called the bastard language for hundreds of years. It has been called that because it is the bastard child of just about all indo-european languages.

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quote:
Originally written by radix malorum est cupiditas:
English has been called the bastard language for hundreds of years. It has been called that because it is the bastard child of just about all indo-european languages.
What does that make American English then? The bastard's bastard child?

- Archmagus Micael

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