From the desk of Mitt Romney:

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Author	Topic: From the desk of Mitt Romney:
Jumpin Salmon ? Man, ? Amazing Member # 5755	written Wednesday, February 22 2006 15:59 Profile #25 Before you go all crazy praising the politicians from my home state, add in the other ones, like Kerry, Dukakis, and the Bush family. I realize that people like to get all dreamy about the Kennedy family, but realize that they got their inheritance from their smuggling operations. All told, the generation mentioned did a lot more good than bad, but they aren't saints. Not many willful politicians are saints. And stop aborting the topic by talking about abortions. It's not on the agenda. -------------------- quote: Originally written by Kelandon: Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing. Posts: 4114 \| Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00
Najosz Thjsza Kjras Lifecrafter Member # 6388	written Wednesday, February 22 2006 17:34 Profile #26 quote: Originally written by Kelandon: The mention of the Lord's Prayer made me do what I compulsively do now: look it up! I read it in English first, then in Latin, and then in Greek. It comes, after all, from Matthew (and also appears, in a slightly less developed form, in Luke). The English actually is a very good translation of the Latin, and the Latin is a pretty good translation of the Greek. There's some odd textual history with the last line, but other than that, I'm impressed with how well this one actually holds up. Other than that, I'm not touching this topic with a ten-foot pole at the moment. :P You know, Kelandon, you're an intelligent person and I suppose my expectations of you might be a tad on the high side but don't you get a little disappointed when Johnnyfeds contributes more meaningful information to a topic than you? quote: Originally written by Jumpin' Salmon: ... like Kerry ... O RLY [ Wednesday, February 22, 2006 17:37: Message edited by: Belisarius ] Posts: 794 \| Registered: Tuesday, October 11 2005 07:00
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Wednesday, February 22 2006 17:43 Profile Homepage #27 Perhaps, Alec, but it always reassures me that you are so diligent in your God-appointed mission of telling people when they're not living up to your standards of message-board posting quality, especially since you've contributed so much to this thread. In other news, yes, I might cast a vote based on a candidate's religion, if he talked about his religion in a way that annoyed me. -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Jumpin Salmon ? Man, ? Amazing Member # 5755	written Wednesday, February 22 2006 17:55 Profile #28 He would have looked better in an Aquaman costume. As a fiscally conservative, socially liberal independent, I have found the slate of Democratic candidates to be an embarassment for the past 24 years. Prior to that I was not interested in politics. Perhaps lack of alternatives is what is pushing the electorate in the direction it is supposedly moving? -------------------- quote: Originally written by Kelandon: Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing. Posts: 4114 \| Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00
Najosz Thjsza Kjras Lifecrafter Member # 6388	written Thursday, February 23 2006 00:52 Profile #29 quote: Originally written by Jumpin' Salmon: He would have looked better in an Aquaman costume. But Aquaman is a gimp -- oh. I suppose you're right. quote: As a fiscally conservative, socially liberal independent, I have found the slate of Democratic candidates to be an embarassment for the past 24 years. Prior to that I was not interested in politics. Perhaps lack of alternatives is what is pushing the electorate in the direction it is supposedly moving? I liked Clinton as a young man; before him I had not yet learned to tie my shoes. As what amounts to a left radical and an independent, I don't like the candidates either, but for what I expect to be the opposite reason - everyone's cutting taxes on someone and kowtowing to the right somehow. When I vote in November, it's gonna be for the Democrats - because I don't like the Nevada Republicans and unfortunately nobody else has a viable chance of winning. And unless something changes, In the primary, again unless something changes, I'd be campaigning for Kucinich and voting for Clinton, and the same pretty much goes for the general election. It's unpleasant, two-party politics, but what can you do. Posts: 794 \| Registered: Tuesday, October 11 2005 07:00
Arancaytar Law Bringer Member # 2984	written Thursday, February 23 2006 00:54 Profile Homepage #30 At the risk of revealing my incomplete knowledge of internet slang, what does "O RLY" mean? "oh really"? [ Thursday, February 23, 2006 00:55: Message edited by: Arancaytar the Grey ] -------------------- Encyclopaedia Ermariana • Forum Archives • Forum Statistics • RSS [Topic / Forum] My Blog • Polaris • I eat novels for breakfast. Polaris is dead, long live Polaris. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. Posts: 8752 \| Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00
Thuryl ...b10010b... Member # 869	written Thursday, February 23 2006 01:21 Profile Homepage #31 That is indeed what it means, but it's not what it connotes. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 \| Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
Arancaytar Law Bringer Member # 2984	written Thursday, February 23 2006 01:32 Profile Homepage #32 Responding to a one-liner with a one-liner: What does it connote? -------------------- Encyclopaedia Ermariana • Forum Archives • Forum Statistics • RSS [Topic / Forum] My Blog • Polaris • I eat novels for breakfast. Polaris is dead, long live Polaris. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. Posts: 8752 \| Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00
Thuryl ...b10010b... Member # 869	written Thursday, February 23 2006 01:40 Profile Homepage #33 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O_RLY [ Thursday, February 23, 2006 01:40: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 \| Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
Arancaytar Law Bringer Member # 2984	written Thursday, February 23 2006 02:32 Profile Homepage #34 I am once again a tiny bit more knowledgeable. What a splendid feeling. :) -------------------- Encyclopaedia Ermariana • Forum Archives • Forum Statistics • RSS [Topic / Forum] My Blog • Polaris • I eat novels for breakfast. Polaris is dead, long live Polaris. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. Posts: 8752 \| Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00
Yatta Agent Member # 798	written Thursday, February 23 2006 17:46 Profile Homepage #35 Listen, I know the Kennedey's are a touckie subject, but still, Romney would be terrible for the nation, I hope he looses. -------------------- "I am Batman". Batman. "I was Escobars guy, I was untouchable". George Jung-Blow. "Dare to disturb the Universe". The Chocolate War. There is nothing sadder Than wasted Talent. Lorenzo, A Bronx Tale. Posts: 1046 \| Registered: Friday, March 22 2002 08:00
Sturg Master Member # 4614	written Thursday, February 23 2006 18:50 Profile Homepage #36 quote: Originally written by Uc: "...Lead us to temptation and then away again!" Suppose somehow someone were prevented from having the opportunity to sin or resist the temptation to sin. Would that person be a good person? Would the preventers be good (assuming no cruel and unusual methods of restraint)? What about that big deal issue of free will? —Alorael, who is reasonably sure that fetuses can't sin and humans almost always do. Aren't an unborn baby's chances of getting a free trip to Heaven better than a born baby's? Unborn babies are prevented from hearing the word of God, accepting it, and therefore carrying out the work God intended them to do on Earth. I imagine they go to heaven, but with few accomplishments to tell about. -------------------- -ben4808 Posts: 3360 \| Registered: Friday, June 25 2004 07:00
Thuryl ...b10010b... Member # 869	written Thursday, February 23 2006 19:36 Profile Homepage #37 I had a discussion with an Anglican priest once about what, if anything, he believed happened to humans which died before birth. His response was basically that it's a complex theological issue that it's generally best not to think about too much. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 \| Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Thursday, February 23 2006 19:43 Profile Homepage #38 If Heaven requires bragging, I don't really want in so much. —Alorael, who believes the easiest answer to the unborn baby question is that souls don't appear until birth. That has interesting implications for legislation, too. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Dikiyoba Councilor Member # 6600	written Thursday, February 23 2006 19:56 Profile Homepage #39 Don't some fetuses miscarry in the very early stages of pregnacy due to an abnormal gene combinations? That seems to imply that the souls aren't created at conception, at least. Dikiyoba. Posts: 4346 \| Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00
Thuryl ...b10010b... Member # 869	written Thursday, February 23 2006 20:56 Profile Homepage #40 quote: Originally written by Dikiyoba: Don't some fetuses miscarry in the very early stages of pregnacy due to an abnormal gene combinations? That seems to imply that the souls aren't created at conception, at least. Yup. As a rough estimate, about 70% of conceptions never survive to birth, and most of those die in the first few weeks after conception. And of course, in the first 14 days after conception, an embryo is capable of dividing in half to form identical twins, which poses the curly question of when the second soul appears -- especially since an embryo that has split in this way occasionally reunites soon after and ends up producing a single fetus. In fact, sometimes the embryos of two non-identical twins will fuse in the uterus to form a single "chimeric embryo", developing into a baby with cells from both twins distributed roughly evenly throughout all its organs. Does a chimeric human have one soul or two? [ Thursday, February 23, 2006 20:57: Message edited by: Thuryl ] -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 \| Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
Slarty Raven v. Writing Desk Member # 261	written Friday, February 24 2006 01:06 Profile Homepage #41 Let's hope that doesn't turn out to be the plot of Geneforge 4. :P -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 \| Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00
Dintiradan Guardian Member # 6670	written Friday, February 24 2006 15:32 Profile Homepage #42 By Alorael: quote: Alorael, who believes the easiest answer to the unborn baby question is that souls don't appear until birth. That has interesting implications for legislation, too. Gah!!! All the people I know delivered Caesarean are SOULLESS!!! Back on topic: do politicians have souls? P.S. Forgive my ignorance in all things American, but who is Mitt Romney? EDIT: Stupid colon. -------------------- Politics: derived from 'poly-', meaning many, and 'ticks', meaning blood-sucking creatures. [ Friday, February 24, 2006 15:35: Message edited by: Dintiradan ] Posts: 1509 \| Registered: Tuesday, January 10 2006 08:00
Drakefyre Triad Mage Member # 7	written Friday, February 24 2006 15:34 Profile Homepage #43 He's the Mormon governor of Massachusetts. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 \| Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00
Ash Lael E Equals MC What!!!! Member # 5491	written Friday, February 24 2006 15:41 Profile Homepage #44 One could argue that the soul is only fully developed at the point of adulthood, and an embryo could not be accurately described as either having a soul or being soulless, but rather as having 0.0045 of a soul or something. However, that kind of thinking could lead to all sorts of weird places. -------------------- SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice. Posts: 1861 \| Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00
Sturg Master Member # 4614	written Friday, February 24 2006 16:18 Profile Homepage #45 quote: Originally written by Thuryl: In fact, sometimes the embryos of two non-identical twins will fuse in the uterus to form a single "chimeric embryo", developing into a baby with cells from both twins distributed roughly evenly throughout all its organs. Does a chimeric human have one soul or two? So your body would contain two totally different genetic sequences. That's pretty cool. As far as the theological aspect goes on that, I suppose that God can have plans for di-genetic people as well. -------------------- -ben4808 Posts: 3360 \| Registered: Friday, June 25 2004 07:00
Thuryl ...b10010b... Member # 869	written Friday, February 24 2006 16:40 Profile Homepage #46 quote: Originally written by the benalizer: So your body would contain two totally different genetic sequences. That's pretty cool. Yup. Actually, there was a CSI episode inspired by that once. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 \| Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Friday, February 24 2006 17:08 Profile Homepage #47 quote: Originally written by Dintiradan: All the people I know delivered Caesarean are SOULLESS!!! I'm pretty sure birth by C-section is still considered birth. Otherwise I was never born myself. —Alorael, who would hate to be autoimmune to someone else's genes. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Dintiradan Guardian Member # 6670	written Friday, February 24 2006 20:40 Profile Homepage #48 By Alorael: quote: I'm pretty sure birth by C-section is still considered birth. Otherwise I was never born myself. Wasn't that central to the plot of Macbeth? -------------------- Turn, hellhound, turn! - Macduff (Macbeth) Posts: 1509 \| Registered: Tuesday, January 10 2006 08:00
Sir David Fire! Fire! Fire! Fire! Member # 919	written Friday, February 24 2006 22:36 Profile #49 Just a little off-topic musing: Catholics (correct me if I'm wrong) believe (or believed) in limbo, and different stages of hell. I personally believe that Heaven is God, in a way, and that God will eventually defeat evil, thus freeing all souls from Hell (and limbo, if it exists). It's reasonable to assume that unborn humans do not go to heaven; they are still human, after all, and therefore carry the burden of proof of suitability for heaven, and as they haven't had a chance to prove themselves, they cannot experience Heaven. Does that mean that if the soul is gained at conception, at least 70% of them are in some kind of limbo? Well, maybe so, but an eventual eternity in Heaven afterwards seems fair enough, doesn't it? I've been told that a group of mathematicians once tried to determine if there could be infinity inside infinity (and infinitely large part inside another infinitely large part) and, rather than coming to a conclusion, decided that it didn't matter. For the reason above, I disagree, and wish someone else would take on the task... -------------------- And though the musicians would die, the music would live on in the imaginations of all who heard it. -The Last Pendragon Polaris = joy. In case of emergency, break glass. Posts: 3351 \| Registered: Saturday, April 6 2002 08:00