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They are just words used to pigeon-hole people that are unfamiliar. It would get confusing to have to come up with a single word that accurately described an individual and differentiated them from similar human begins. Maybe a 12 axes system of describing political views at each level of government, but in extra dimensions as well. Well, you get the idea.

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Originally written by Kelandon:

Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.


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Originally written by Arancaytar the Grey:

But if there is no difference between conservative and liberal, then why is it that the groups who would describe themselves as either loathe each other with a passion? Are they just misusing the labels, or are they actually alike and just not seeing it?
What are the ideological differences between two football teams? And yet people still take the sport seriously enough that every year people are injured or killed in soccer riots.

Believe me, if you'd ever seen the way two politicians from different parties talk to each other in private, you'd know that they realise how much they have in common. In the long term, the continuation of the game is just as important to their interests as the victory of their team.

[ Friday, February 17, 2006 07:18: Message edited by: Thuryl ]

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"Conservative" technically refers to someone who wants to keep things the way they are, and "liberal" refers to those who want to change it. Though that makes sense now, it may not in 2008.

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The problem with political labels is that they'll always be a generalization, unless you have dozens of axes, one for each issue. Otherwise, everybody with strongly liberal views on some issues and strongly conservative views on others is going to come out "moderate", which would be very inaccurate.

A more useful distinction for these boards would be "misc/General" poster v. "game boards poster". Sub-categories would be "debators" v. "chatters" for Misc and "questioners" v. "experts" for game boards.

[ Friday, February 17, 2006 09:55: Message edited by: Zeviz ]

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For it too has the power to kill.
However well placed word, unlike a well placed sword,
Can also have the power to heal.
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Originally written by ben12C8:

"Conservative" technically refers to someone who wants to keep things the way they are, and "liberal" refers to those who want to change it. Though that makes sense now, it may not in 2008.
Technically correct, but functionally not terribly useful. If liberals have control of the government, they'll institute their policies and then try to keep things the same. If conservatives then take power, they'll do their best to change things because the way liberals have things set up is not what they want.

Liberals want a stronger economy, less crime, fewer poor and better protection for them, a strong health and education system, and so on. So do conservatives. Nobody thinks the status quo is the best of all possible worlds. The disagreement is over the policies most likely to lead there.

—Alorael, who might have to start a political party based on how wonderful things are right now. It would be different and the general public seems to be gullible enough to believe it. The only catch is that all news services would have to be prevented from explaining how everyone is always in imminent and dire peril of suffering extraordinary hardships.
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Alorael, who might have to start a political party based on how wonderful things are right now.
Sorry, the Liberal Party of Canada beat you to it.

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Originally written by Stripper of Sanity:

—Alorael, who might have to start a political party based on how wonderful things are right now. It would be different and the general public seems to be gullible enough to believe it. The only catch is that all news services would have to be prevented from explaining how everyone is always in imminent and dire peril of suffering extraordinary hardships.
Hmm, all that would do is knock out Fox News and all the various news magazine programs. Sounds good to me.

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Originally written by Kelandon:

Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.


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I seem to be quite content with how wonderful things are now. Just think. Reading message boards? Does it get any better? ;)

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Originally written by ben12C8:

..."liberal" refers to those who want to change it.
Not true. It's referred to as such because liberals at the time of their inception (ie, the enlightenment) wanted change, but what non-conservative groups haven't wanted that? You could, in the same way, say that romanticists or postmodernists are defined exclusively by change. And, I suppose, that's useful when you want to quantify such movements dialectically, but that doesn't serve you at all, serve anyone in the context of liberalism, or appreciate what liberalism implies historically and logically.

PS- I can see why it'd be easy for you to make an argument like that. Since most of us are "free-world" (more accurately described as "first-world") residing internet-users, we're inclined far moreso than most to enjoy the status quo, and the implication that the Eagles are going to change all of this makes the Steelers that much more tantalizing.

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