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Thuryl ...b10010b... Member # 869	written Friday, February 17 2006 19:52 Profile Homepage #100 The way you've translated it, that passage almost reads as if homosexuality was the punishment for their sins rather than being the sin itself. (Still not exactly a liberal interpretation, but certainly a different one.) -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 \| Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Friday, February 17 2006 19:57 Profile Homepage #101 You know, it occurs to me that a Greek reader might have had a visceral response to the idea of a man feeling desire for another man, because that was often thought mildly improper. After all, for most Greeks, it was most proper for a man to feel desire for young boys, not full-grown men. Thuryl: Yeah. Well, if you're not gay, but you're forced into having same-sex intercourse, it's pretty unpleasant. That's sort of the sense that I'm getting out of this passage. [ Friday, February 17, 2006 19:58: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Slarty Raven v. Writing Desk Member # 261	written Friday, February 17 2006 19:59 Profile Homepage #102 Ah... Graeculi. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 \| Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00
Student of Trinity Electric Sheep One Member # 3431	written Saturday, February 18 2006 03:37 Profile #103 quote: Originally written by Thuryl: The way you've translated it, that passage almost reads as if homosexuality was the punishment for their sins rather than being the sin itself. A generally very conservative evangelical Anglican priest I know, who teaches theology (or something related, anyway) at a Catholic university, has made essentially Kelandon's analysis of the original text, and drawn precisely the above interpretation. Other professional theologians make different interpretations, of course, but he is by no means an isolated wacko. He's a pretty mainstream guy, well known in evangelical academic circles. -------------------- We're not doing cool. We're doing pretty. Posts: 3335 \| Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00
the horned slayer BANNED Member # 6554	written Saturday, February 18 2006 12:07 Profile #104 hey everybody anyone hear hate george bush I DO!!!!! besides if you want an idea of what the world would be like without war read the book by richard bach ONE -------------------- join me! we shall harness the power of geckos, bunnys, and fluffy pink stuffed animals and rule the world!!! Posts: 193 \| Registered: Wednesday, December 14 2005 08:00
Ephesos Law Bringer Member # 4153	written Saturday, February 18 2006 12:31 Profile Homepage #105 Arghhhhhhhhh, this topic has moved on. Quite some time ago, in fact. GWB is at best minimally involved in anything that's being discussed. Please read the topic before you post next time. -------------------- Gamble with Gaea, and she eats your dice. I hate undead. I really, really, really, really hate undead. With a passion. Posts: 4130 \| Registered: Friday, March 26 2004 08:00
Synergy Shaper Member # 6292	written Saturday, February 18 2006 14:41 Profile #106 The SICTG™ was so dearly hoping that Arghhhhhhhhh would return. :D The magical happy graemlin will show you what that means. -------------------- A4 Item Locations A4 Singleton G4 Items List G4 Forging List The Insidious Infiltrator Posts: 2009 \| Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00
Arancaytar Law Bringer Member # 2984	written Saturday, February 18 2006 15:08 Profile Homepage #107 quote: Originally written by arghhhhhhhhh: anyone hear hate george bush I DO!!!!! At least we have that in common. :P -------------------- Encyclopaedia Ermariana • Forum Archives • Forum Statistics • RSS [Topic / Forum] My Blog • Polaris • I eat novels for breakfast. Polaris is dead, long live Polaris. Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair. Posts: 8752 \| Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00
Dikiyoba Councilor Member # 6600	written Saturday, February 18 2006 15:09 Profile Homepage #108 With all due respect, arghhhhhhhhh's title, while often appropriate, isn't very inventive. Dikiyoba. Posts: 4346 \| Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00
Ash Lael E Equals MC What!!!! Member # 5491	written Saturday, February 18 2006 15:10 Profile Homepage #109 I hear George Bush hate. Does that count? quote: Originally written by Dikiyoba: With all due respect, arghhhhhhhhh's title, while often appropriate, isn't very inventive. Dikiyoba. His title should be "Why did you kick me?" [ Saturday, February 18, 2006 15:12: Message edited by: Ash Lael ] -------------------- SupaNik: Aran, you're not big enough to threaten Ash. Dammit, even JV had to think twice. Posts: 1861 \| Registered: Friday, February 11 2005 08:00
Synergy Shaper Member # 6292	written Saturday, February 18 2006 15:19 Profile #110 I think it's perfect. I read his post. I go, "arghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" EDIT: Title slightly enhanced. We aim to please. [ Saturday, February 18, 2006 15:45: Message edited by: Synergy ] -------------------- A4 Item Locations A4 Singleton G4 Items List G4 Forging List The Insidious Infiltrator Posts: 2009 \| Registered: Monday, September 12 2005 07:00
Slarty Raven v. Writing Desk Member # 261	written Saturday, February 18 2006 15:47 Profile Homepage #111 In that case, it should probably be adopted as the standard post count-based title for new members. Or, possibly everyone. -------------------- Slarty vs. Desk • Desk vs. Slarty • Timeline of Ermarian • G4 Strategy Central Posts: 3560 \| Registered: Wednesday, November 7 2001 08:00
Dikiyoba Councilor Member # 6600	written Saturday, February 18 2006 16:05 Profile Homepage #112 Originally by Synergy: quote: Title slightly enhanced. We aim to please. Title enhancement appreciated. It's perfect now. Now Dikiyoba can only wait to see if I_am_a_Minotaur shows up in the Geneforge forum talking about drakons again. Posts: 4346 \| Registered: Friday, December 23 2005 08:00
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Saturday, February 18 2006 16:25 Profile Homepage #113 I hear many things, but since the thread of posted voices I haven't heard any Spiderweb forum things. —Alorael, who knows of little that injects life into a thread like a underappreciated, content-free tangent. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Alex Lifecrafter Member # 59	written Saturday, February 18 2006 23:39 Profile #114 quote: Originally written by Stripper of Sanity: —Alorael, who would look at sexual dimorphism in other primates for an understanding of humans. If primates closely related to humans tend to have behaviors determined by gender, it's a fair bet that human behavior was also determined by gender and that brains evolved for those tasks along gender lines. Even if only humans culturally separated tasks but did it a long time ago different abilities could have developed. Animal kingdom analogies tell very little. Different ape species have different family structures, for example. The bonobos (wiki) are promiscuous, but this is less widely known than that gorilla alpha males have harems. Apes have culture, too, as was seen in one amusing example of baboon males becoming less violent. Overall, I'd rather look at differences between human cultures, because ape cultures are more primitive and we happen to be humans. If chimp males were better at tool use than chimp females, does that mean women can't be programmers? A typical Afghan man probably has much less in common with me concerning views on marriage than a Swedish woman has, for example. Posts: 950 \| Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00
Desert Pl@h Lifecrafter Member # 1768	written Monday, February 20 2006 16:22 Profile #115 Time to delve into Leviticus, yay! (Or not yay, depending on whether you like boring yourself to death.) Many people will claim that this means nothing anymore (in reference to the homosexuality argument), but they're absolutely wrong. The section that contains the many "thou shalt not's" (including thou shalt not lie as man with man, is it chapter 26? meh) is in there primarily to direct Hebrew behavior away from the practices of the Canaanite tribes around them. The people in and around Isrealite territory were doing everything that this section forbids, and A LOT OF IT (mention: sodom). The god who told them not to lie with the same sex and not to wear two different kinds of fabrics (anyone up for an interpetive investigation of the text around that verse?) is the same god who claimed to die as punishment for all our sins. One thing I like to point out is that the "thou shalt not" forbidding homosexuality among men is the only "thou shalt not" (i think) that ends with "that is detestable". I find that humorous. -------------------- "Oh, North Wind, why frighten others? In Nature's family all are brothers. Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss; You can't frighten Shingebiss. Bring your frost and ice and snow; I'm still free to come and go. You can never frighten me, One who never fears is FREE!" -Shingebiss, the mighty duck Posts: 830 \| Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00
Kelandon Off With Their Heads Member # 4045	written Monday, February 20 2006 16:26 Profile Homepage #116 We've been over that verse before, and although I can't speak for the Hebrew directly, I can say that the best authorities I've heard on it indicate that it's not exactly phrased clearly. This is what I've heard before: The "detestable" word at the end ("abomination" in the KJV) is an over-translation. The word simply means "ritually unclean" (for which the solution is a bath, and honestly, bathing after any sort of intercourse is not a bad idea). The verse itself seems to indicate, literally, that a man should not lie with another man in a woman's bed. Explaining this away as forbidding same-sex intercourse is possible, but by no means the only possibility. Which brings me back to my main point, which is that it's certainly possible to interpret several lines in the Bible as condemning same-sex intercourse, but it's definitely not easy to demonstrate that they necessarily do. [ Monday, February 20, 2006 16:29: Message edited by: Kelandon ] -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Smoo: Get ready to face the walls! Ephesos: In conclusion, yarr. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 \| Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00
Desert Pl@h Lifecrafter Member # 1768	written Tuesday, February 21 2006 16:41 Profile #117 Who are your best authorities? EDIT: And the idea that homosexuality was forbidden in order to keep the population from dying off is completely ridiculous. There wouldn't ever be enough of it to bring the population down to dangerous levels. [ Tuesday, February 21, 2006 16:43: Message edited by: Desert Pl@h ] -------------------- "Oh, North Wind, why frighten others? In Nature's family all are brothers. Puff and blow and wheeze and hiss; You can't frighten Shingebiss. Bring your frost and ice and snow; I'm still free to come and go. You can never frighten me, One who never fears is FREE!" -Shingebiss, the mighty duck Posts: 830 \| Registered: Tuesday, August 20 2002 07:00