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written Monday, May 2 2005 11:54
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How about Superman (the comic)? Not that he was the first, but seeing as comics featuring him appeared in 1938, chances are he saved the world before Frodo Baggins did. Posts: 2242 | Registered: Saturday, April 10 2004 07:00 |
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written Monday, May 2 2005 12:40
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But I'd bet that the first Superman comics had him doing lame little things like foiling bank heists. Still, LOTR was 1954. By then maybe Superman had saved the world a time or two? And what about all the pulp sci fi? Didn't some Flash Gordon (or precursor) save us from bug-eyed monsters before '54? Anyone ever heard of Bulldog Drummond? I faintly remember him foiling a villain with a poison plot that might have been big enough to threaten the world. It sounds as though plots in which the whole world is threatened, but the threat fortunately miscarries, predate those in which the hero averts the threat personally. This must say something. For that matter, it is a big deal in LOTR that the threat is not averted by heroism alone: Gollum has to be there at the last moment, too. -------------------- It is not enough to discover how things seem to seem. We must discover how things really seem. Posts: 3335 | Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00 |
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written Monday, May 2 2005 12:43
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If we consider threat miscarriages, "War of the Worlds" is applicable. Posts: 2242 | Registered: Saturday, April 10 2004 07:00 |
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written Monday, May 2 2005 16:01
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quote:I'd thought of this too. But in most of the old sci-fi I've read, the protagonists don't actually seem to do much (witness, say, John Wyndham's The Kraken Wakes, in which the protagonists basically spend most of the book worrying). When they do something, it's generally on a small scale, even if it is as part of a larger, more generalised effort -- and in that case, rebuilding the world is a lot more common than saving it. But maybe the sci-fi I've been reading isn't pulpy enough. -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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written Monday, May 2 2005 16:41
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For everyone interested in myths, their origins, and supposed meanings, I would highly recommend "When they severed earth from sky" by Barber and Barber. Highly informative, and definitely gives valid basis for some future scenarios. Basic premise is that myth=oral history, short is sweet, message must stay intact through many tellings, and finally the message is usually a warning of disaster. For example, several figures in Greek myth can be construed both from general description and from greek art work as representations of volcanoes. Two cases are the Gorgons and the Titans. The most interesting note in the book (imho) is the interpretation of Excalibur. Iron is the key in an era of bronze armor, and an army with iron weapons and armor will crush those with bronze (or cloth). It happens that a tribe of people on the southern coast of the Black Sea were smelting iron long before others in the Med area. The inhabitants of the region were Chalybians, which can be combined with Ex (L. Out of or From) to create the new word for a superior weapon. Ex-chalybia. Anyhow it is a good book, full of ideas that could push a wandering designer into a great scenario. As for the original question, creation myths tend to have epic heroes that are given credit for battling the monsters of chaos to make the world safe. Definition of world is the known area at that era and place. We just live in an unfortunate time where the world is the whole planet and almost nothing is left for discovery. :) Posts: 4114 | Registered: Monday, April 25 2005 07:00 |
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written Monday, May 2 2005 17:13
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Makes enough sense. Can't very well save parts of the world that you don't know are there to be saved. -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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written Monday, May 2 2005 21:27
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I'm not sure about this, but The Wiard Of Oz (Australia, 1939) has someting to do with saving things. But I think it may just be the person that is in danger. I'm not sure... -------------------- I'll put a Spring in your step. Polaris Posts: 2396 | Registered: Saturday, January 29 2005 08:00 |
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written Monday, May 2 2005 22:40
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Wizard of Oz came out, the first one, in 1900, at least in the U.S. It dealt with a kind of saving the world. . . well. . . kind of. I know this is recent, but I loved the fact that a Sheep called Skippy is saving the world. So to speak. Kalevala? That's reaching? Lucian of Samotasa, but one is about flying to the moon and the other includes war but hardly saving the world heroic type. At least not quite. Actually, this is more of an legend of a legend, so I don't know how true it is or whether to mention it, but here it goes. According to a theory that is usually laughed at, Neardenthals actually wrote, but they did it in the dirt, or worse, in the shores way too near the water. Apparently a group of scientists from different parts of the world invented a thingimagij that enabled them to read the traces of Neardenthal writings (this seems like hocus pocus mumbo jumbo to me, but who knows?). And they discovered that, among the many interesting things these people wrote about, there is a legend that would fit the Hero Saving the world theme: The hero in question (name is full of consonants, so I won't try to write it and get it wrong) and his Autrolopithecus companion/mascot (whom the tribe had somehow managed to keep alive, probably breeding it or something, I don't know) emabarked on a quest that took them through the entire known world in their attempt to save the world from the some evil outer worlders which are rather remeniscent of certain Elder Gods. In the end they managed to save the world and imprison the evil outer worlders in a couple of places where it is rumoured they still are. Cu Chulainn would also be part of the world, so that's out I guess. EDIT: URL edited out. It links to a site which attempts to (or has advertisments which attempt to) download malware to your computer. [ Tuesday, May 03, 2005 09:14: Message edited by: Imban ] -------------------- quote:Random Jack Vance Quote Manual Generator Apparatus (Cugel's Saga) Posts: 604 | Registered: Sunday, June 20 2004 07:00 |
Law Bringer
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written Tuesday, May 3 2005 01:09
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Do you mean Neanderthals? -------------------- The Encyclopaedia Ermariana <-- Now a Wiki! "Polaris leers down from the black vault, winking hideously like an insane watching eye which strives to convey some strange message, yet recalls nothing save that it once had a message to convey." --- HP Lovecraft. "I single Aran out due to his nasty temperament, and his superior intellect." --- SupaNik Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, May 3 2005 01:58
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Aran: Yup. Splanglish lapsus mentis. -------------------- quote:Random Jack Vance Quote Manual Generator Apparatus (Cugel's Saga) Posts: 604 | Registered: Sunday, June 20 2004 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, May 3 2005 04:36
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All right, how about the story of Typhon in Apollodorus' Library and Epitome, when Zeus saves creation from the worst monster ever? Apollodorus of Athens was born in 140 B.C., from what I understand. Here's the pertinent section: quote: [ Tuesday, May 03, 2005 04:37: Message edited by: andrew miller ] Posts: 2242 | Registered: Saturday, April 10 2004 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, May 3 2005 04:45
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Well, I'll grant that so far as scale goes, that's pretty damn impressive. (What is it with the ancients and creepy semi-metaphorical sexual liaisons between gods leading to unfortunate results, anyway?) -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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written Tuesday, May 3 2005 05:14
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Well, I reckon that anyone who can reach both the East and the West while stretching out his arms is one bad dude. I definitely think Typhon could take Sauron and his armies without breaking a sweat. EDIT: Here's a satellite image of Typhon, still smoldering with rage under Mt. Etna in Sicily. [ Tuesday, May 03, 2005 05:52: Message edited by: andrew miller ] Posts: 2242 | Registered: Saturday, April 10 2004 07:00 |
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