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Warrior
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I suspect I may be alone on this one....

But does anyone out there flinch every time they open up the Spiderweb homepage, to see in large print on the left-hand side: "Forums".

Shouldn't it be "Fora"?

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Standard English plurals are always acceptable. "Fora" is also correct, but it's not necessary.

[ Thursday, March 24, 2005 08:57: Message edited by: Kelandon ]

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Forums in fact appears to be the preferred English plural. Maybe not linguistically, but certainly numerically. That doesn't make it any more right (it's not easy to misunderestimate the ease with which words spread irregardless of their technical existence), but I think quite a few people would have no idea what "fora" are.

—Alorael, who has in fact never heard of any online boards being called fora. It makes sense, but it doesn't happen. The internet always wins the linguistic wars, lol!!!1!
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I guess that's why I had it under the rubric of "pet peeve" as opposed to "typo" or "error". I know that both are right, but heck, what ever happened to people using the proper, Latin derivations.

My blessed Latin teacher would be rolling around in her grave, but she's still alive, living on the Amalfi coast with her grandchildren...

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yea, the english language is very complicated, and I just recently found out that the correct spell of "all right" is not spelled "alright" and the same with "a lot", not "alot"

Very strange.
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I agree that the word "fora" is certainly far more elegant than the word "forums".
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Yeah, but how far can you take this kind of thing? For instance, how many people realize, as I learned from an essay on this topic by WVO Quine, that the Latin plural of 'octopus' would be 'octopodes'? Or that the Greek plural of 'rhinoceros' would be 'rhinocerotes'? There's a point at which you admit that you're speaking English, not an ancient dead language, and go with the flow. It works, and it's not pretentious.

On the other hand, for years I have been calling an individual broccoli floret a 'broccolo'.

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It's called a broccolo? Wow, I've been saying "broccolus" for as long as I can remember. I feel stupid now.

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Google says I'm actually right, but it was luck. I just decided 'broccolo' sounded better. Likewise 'spaghetto'.

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Or you could just stay "a stalk of broccoli" or "a sphagetti noodle" or, for "a lot", just say "many" or "numerous."

However, I never realized that such words as broccoli even had proper singulars, or if they'll ever be needed. But while we're on the subject, yeah, it seems like it should be "broccolus", kind of like fungi/fungus or cacti/cactus.

EDIT: Oh, and BtW, I have never seen or heard of the word "fora". It sounds more like flora to me that the word for a group of (for understantibility) forums.

[ Thursday, March 24, 2005 13:28: Message edited by: ben2 ]

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Until now, I didn't even know the proper plural of 'forum' is actually 'fora'. Thanks a lot for making me feel like a FOB, guys. -_-

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I always knew "alot" was incorrect, but I'm still fairly certain "alright" is common, accepted English. I could be wrong, though, seeing as I just seemed to find out I was spelling "forward" wrong my whole life. Or something like that...

Also, I like "fora". I think I'll use that from now, tither.

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[QUOTE]Originally written by ben2:
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However, I never realized that such words as broccoli even had proper singulars, or if they'll ever be needed. But while we're on the subject, yeah, it seems like it should be "broccolus", kind of like fungi/fungus or cacti/cactus.

I know something to add, but I think I might get banned, so I'll keep my mouth shut, especially after the recent bannings.
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I draw the line at consonant-stem Greek nouns, like "rhinoceros" and "octopus." Unless you actually pronounce "rhinoceros" with a hard C, there's no point in pretending that you're speaking Greek. It's "rhinoceroses" every time.

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That's funny to me, because for like a year, two friends and I started pronouncing everything like ancient Greek.

We found people still understood what we were saying, but they always gave us an odd look.

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I don't argee with Wary Wanderer, because "fora" is kind the short, and "forums" stand out better.

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I knew about octopodes, but I hadn't heard of fora before. Personally, I like "forums" better, but that could be because I'm so use to seeing it that way...
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Crazy bunch of linguists! I can hardly spell the words that are in common form. I can write circles round yo ass but don't ask me to spell correctly.

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Now I've run into my own pet peeve: nonstandard English. I'm guilty of abusing English myself, notably commas and sentence fragments, but words like "alright" bother me.

To be technical about it, the word is common but still not proper. I'm not quite sure why, but it's not proper. Because English is like that.

—Alorael, who has a love-hate relationship with English. He loves to correct people on the tiniest details and forcefully proclaims that English is a nonsensical, poorly amalgamated, worthless excuse for a language.
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"Alright" is the standard form in Commonwealth English, I believe.

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My spelling corrector recognizes "alright".
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On almost (wait, shouldn't that be "All most"?) every occasion I have seen several animals called "octopus" being referred to, collectively, as octopodes. Mainly because the English plural, relying on an 's', is quite tricky to add to a word ending on s.

On the other hand, I have seen "octopi", which is most likely incorrect, but at least sounds sorta correct. ;)

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Well, I learnt a long time ago that fora was the correct word, but it does look better, to the average person, who is unused to it, to use forums.

I'm guilty of many counts of murdering the English language and making up new words, to express somethings or just to call someone silly, without them realising.

It's an irrational language, anyway. One that changes very easily. I guess I enjoy the flexibility I can get with some words.

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I were reading a new today about this people who found too interested datas about fishes. I now it doesn't has to do with this threat butt I thoght it interesting.

On the other hand.

I'd like to see "fora," perhaps, but I'm used to seeing "forums."

I wonder if it's okay to the following: once a word is adopted by another language, that language can do whatever it wants with it, even if it ignores the rules to which that word used to be subservient to.

So, when we use "Forums" in the net, it is the English word for it. It may have a root in Latin, but we're not talking Latin, the Forums are not in Latin, nor are they about Latin subjects (though one or two may pop up once in a while.) So, even if "fora" may be the correct plural for it in Latin, English, it seems, has used its right to be a dictator and obviated that little fact.

Now, if you went to a Latin site, all in Latin and you saw "Forums" there, I guess that might be cause for concern.

If we stuck to every single rule that every single word in a language used to follow when it was part of another language, then things would be very funky indeed.

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Both octopuses and octopi are correct English pluralizations. Octopodes wins style points, but it's not right. Pseudo-Latin always wins.

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