'Rational Mind' = Can't use a lamp?!

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Shock Trooper
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Playing the demo and decided to try the Romans out. My main tank, SkeleTonius, took the 'Rational Mind' trait of course but I am dismayed at just how ****ed up this trait is. I can understand(and fully expected) not being able to cast spells or such but not being able to drink a potion which is demonstrably, empirically capable of healing/curing?! And even worse not being able to use torches and lamps?! How is THAT 'rational'?

It will be ironic if I discover plumbing I cannot use because I do not believe in aqueducts. LOL!

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Shock Trooper
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If all it did was take away spellcasting, it wouldn't be much of a disadvantage at all for fighters, especially Romans.

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Law Bringer
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Potions make sense. They're no more empirically sound or unsound than wands. I think Rational Mind is a refusal to use these reality-bending items more than anything else.

Lamps are a programming decision. The easy way to set up the trait was to prevent the use of items. Most usable items are magical. Light sources are collateral damage.

—Alorael, who perhaps should think of Rational Mind as Irrationally Fixated on Mundanity. It makes more sense that way.
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Visible light is a Theory, not a Fact. Keep an open mind. I have an "Intelligent Illumination" theory you may be interested in. :)

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Raven v. Writing Desk
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Rational Mind characters can still use Crystal Wands, though, can't they? No lamps but crystal wands is hard to reconcile.

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No I don't think you can use crystal wands.

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Shock Trooper
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quote:
Originally written by Post-Transital Disease:

Potions make sense. They're no more empirically sound or unsound than wands. I think Rational Mind is a refusal to use these reality-bending items more than anything else.

Lamps are a programming decision. The easy way to set up the trait was to prevent the use of items. Most usable items are magical. Light sources are collateral damage.

—Alorael, who perhaps should think of Rational Mind as Irrationally Fixated on Mundanity. It makes more sense that way.

That makes sense. Just seemed kind of funny though.

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I like these games as much as the next person but not being use lamps for that reason is really lazy.

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Raven v. Writing Desk
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To clarify, crystal wands are a missile weapon found late in the game; I'm not talking about wands that can be used as a potion or scroll.

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I still beleive you can't use them there to powerful not be overlooked.

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Theres a starman waiting in the sky
Hed like to come and meet us
But he thinks hed blow our minds
Theres a starman waiting in the sky
Hes told us not to blow it
Cause he knows its all worthwhile
He told me:
Let the children lose it
Let the children use it
Let all the children boogie

The game of life is hard to play

I'm gonna lose it anyway

The losing card I'll someday lay

so this is all I have to say.

Weve got five years, stuck on my eyes
Five years, what a surprise
Weve got five years, my brain hurts a lot
Five years, thats all weve got
Weve got five years, what a surprise
Five years, stuck on my eyes
Weve got five years, my brain hurts a lot
Five years, thats all weve got
Weve got five years, stuck on my eyes
Five years, what a surprise
Weve got five years, my brain hurts a lot
Five years, thats all weve got
Weve got five years, what a surprise
Weve got five years, stuck on my eyes
Weve got five years, my brain hurts a lot
Five years, thats all weve got
Five years
Five years
Five years
Five years
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quote:
Originally written by Starman1985:

I still beleive you can't use them there to powerful not be overlooked.
Well, you believe wrong, because Rational Mind doesn't prevent you from using them.

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hmmm

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Theres a starman waiting in the sky
Hes told us not to blow it
Cause he knows its all worthwhile
He told me:
Let the children lose it
Let the children use it
Let all the children boogie
The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
so this is all I have to say.
Weve got five years, what a surprise
Weve got five years, stuck on my eyes
Weve got five years, my brain hurts a lot
Five years, thats all weve got
Five years
Five years
Five years
Five year
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