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Apprentice
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written Saturday, March 20 2004 17:34
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I dont support apple in any regard.... Guess I will just have to wait Why compile it for mac first tho...? Is a majority of the fanbase mac useres? Just wondering -------------------- If your reading this, it's already too late... Posts: 26 | Registered: Wednesday, March 17 2004 08:00 |
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...b10010b...
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written Saturday, March 20 2004 17:46
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Jeff is a Mac user so he designed it on a Mac. The fanbase is split about 50/50 Mac/Windows users. Maybe this ought to be in the FAQ. [ Saturday, March 20, 2004 17:46: Message edited by: The Soviet Onion ] -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Agent
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written Saturday, March 20 2004 17:52
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Well, to get BoA earlier ... could be a reason to support apple, no? :D ) (* (( Mac rules -------------------- Slartucker: * facepalm facepalm facepalm * Dikiyoba: Are you unconscious yet? Posts: 1420 | Registered: Wednesday, October 2 2002 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Saturday, March 20 2004 17:53
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Yes I kind of assumed that.... too bad I'll never use a mac... -------------------- If your reading this, it's already too late... Posts: 26 | Registered: Wednesday, March 17 2004 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Saturday, March 20 2004 18:02
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quote:Does apple support plug n play? I would rather have an upgradeable unit than having to buy whole new setups with no choice of os? You have to run a mac os on a mac machine right? I dont know much so forgive me if I am wrong Also I wouldnt know how to rate macs, I use the pc mainly for video editing which is cpu intensive I currently have a p4 3 GHz 800 MHz FSB cpu with HT, what kind of cpu do mac use I also capture video with my radeon card...what kind of video cards for mac? I could ask more but...oh well -------------------- If your reading this, it's already too late... Posts: 26 | Registered: Wednesday, March 17 2004 08:00 |
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...b10010b...
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written Saturday, March 20 2004 18:11
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quote:In order of your questions: Support plug and play? Apple practically invented it. There's no reason you can't upgrade your Mac's hardware and software. I don't know much about performance rating either, although the consensus seems to be that Macs are pretty good with graphics work. If you're using your computer for serious video editing, I'd advise you to talk to a wide range of experts in the field. You can run Linux on a Mac if you want, and there are good Windows emulators available for Mac as well. Once again, I'm not a hardware expert by any means. If performance is important to you, check your facts with people in the know. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Saturday, March 20 2004 18:20
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hmm well I dont know abotu switching to mac but I am thinking of swithcing to amd 64 by next year.... mmm welcome to the world of 64bit computing, too bad its not very practical yet of course consoles will always be my major gaming source....no way you can compete with 128 bit wonder what the next playstation will be like -------------------- If your reading this, it's already too late... Posts: 26 | Registered: Wednesday, March 17 2004 08:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Saturday, March 20 2004 18:32
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I know a guy who's a professional video editor. He hates Macs. I guess it's kind of like the Ford/Holden thing, but for techies. -------------------- Rate my scenarios! Areni Revenge To Live in Fear Deadly Goblins Ugantan Nightmare Isle of Boredom Posts: 1423 | Registered: Sunday, October 7 2001 07:00 |
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Agent
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written Saturday, March 20 2004 18:42
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quote:^ you can emulate a mac ... Yes, mac hardware runs with mac OS (you could emulate a PC-surface as well). Apple is specialized on video-work and DVD - have a look at apple.com. My old PowerMac G4 has a ATI graphic card, but I think, you could use radeon as well - I'm not specialized in deconstructing hardware. As far I know, you can build in whatever you want, macs are very modifiable. Be warned: Once you use a mac, you would not want to go back to PC again ... -------------------- Slartucker: * facepalm facepalm facepalm * Dikiyoba: Are you unconscious yet? Posts: 1420 | Registered: Wednesday, October 2 2002 07:00 |
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Lack of Vision
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written Saturday, March 20 2004 20:08
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In an effort to clear up some confusion.... Video editing is incredible on the Mac. They have industrial strength hardware, and exellent software, like Final Cut, that is probably close to being the best in the business. BUT (and you knew there was a "but") To take advantage of videoediting, you really do need to invest in a G5 (Apple's 64 bit chip), and it ain't cheap. Smooth, wonderful, etc., but not cheap. And as cool as BoA is, you really should buy the computer on the total merits, unless you happen to have a couple of thousands dollars to spend. So think about this choice - The pros to buying a G5 (1) First personal computer with 64 bit computing and an OS that supports it (Longhorn, the next version of Windows OS is rumored to be 64 bit, but is still more than a year and a half away.) (2) Incredible video editing tools at very reasonable prices. (3) Stable, mature OS based on BSD Unix and a more secure environment as far as worms and virii are concerned. The cons of buying a G5 (1) Price - a decently-equipped G5 will cost you 2 to 4 thousand dollars. (2) Less available software - especially games. (4) You will lose your current library of software, since, obviously, it is written for windows - unless you buy Microsoft's virtual PC, which raises the total price another $200. The choice you make will depend on your income, current setup, and planned future. Especially because the computer you buy now will make it more expensive to shift in the future. My recommendation is that you visit and Apple store and play around with a G5, and see how you feel about it. That should help you make the right decision for your computing needs. Z -------------------- Pan Lever: Seventeen apple roving mirror moiety. Of turned quorum jaggedly the. Blue? Posts: 186 | Registered: Thursday, February 27 2003 08:00 |
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BoE Posse
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written Saturday, March 20 2004 20:51
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Personally, I use Adobe Premiere Pro on a PC, and from my limited experience with Final Cut Pro, there's very little difference. -------------------- Rate my scenarios! Areni Revenge To Live in Fear Deadly Goblins Ugantan Nightmare Isle of Boredom Posts: 1423 | Registered: Sunday, October 7 2001 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Sunday, March 21 2004 01:18
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Hmm..if the 8.1 upgrade doesn't work on it's own, they seem to have 7.0.1 full there - you could probably download that and then run the upgrade. -------------------- Apparently still annoying. Posts: 612 | Registered: Saturday, October 13 2001 07:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Sunday, March 21 2004 02:20
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You need to have 8.0 to run the upgrade. Buying 8.0 or 8.1 will only set you back around $20. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Sunday, March 21 2004 02:24
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quote:Also, the G5 is an incredible system. Play around with one and listen to Apple's spiel - it's 64-bit, with support for terabytes of RAM (these models are only 8 GB, though), many are dual-processor, and running Mac OS 10.3.2 on it will make it scream. Once more programs are adapted to take advantage of the new processors, you'll see a marked speed increase. [ Sunday, March 21, 2004 02:27: Message edited by: Drakefyre ] -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy Encyclopedia Ermariana - Trapped in the Closet ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Sunday, March 21 2004 11:56
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many viruses are designed to take advantage of flaws in windows, of which there are many. There are very few viruses designed to run on Macs Therefore, :P -------------------- Nobody appreciates me. It's all "Igor! Fetch some wine!" "Igor! Clean up this experiment!" or "Igor! Bury this in the garden, we're leaving town in 10 minutes!" —Alorael, who tried to become a deivore once. The priest gave him a funny look after the third wafer. Posts: 301 | Registered: Thursday, October 2 2003 07:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Monday, March 22 2004 00:20
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yes but its very hard to switch from pc to mac not for difference in os/feel but money! its easier to buy some new pieces to an old pc than to buy a whole new setup... if I sold my current machine I couldnt afford a g5...and the only time I will upgrade again is to 64bit will I have enough money to in the future...who knows but you evil people are corrupting me with your mac ways btw I started using litestep not too long ago and I like it much better than the standard explorer shell -------------------- If your reading this, it's already too late... Posts: 26 | Registered: Wednesday, March 17 2004 08:00 |
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...b10010b...
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written Monday, March 22 2004 00:36
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Well, you'll have to get a new computer eventually. We're just giving you something to think about when you do. -------------------- The Empire Always Loses: This Time For Sure! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Monday, March 22 2004 11:43
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Often times, concerning software, Mac versions of it do exist, it just that you'll be hard pressed to find any of it in a store (unless it's an Apple Store). You'll probably want to shop for the software online. The only real difference is the shipping cost of the items you purchase (like everything else you buy online, of course). -------------------- -Daravon Posts: 104 | Registered: Friday, March 8 2002 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Monday, March 22 2004 14:23
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quote:First 64-bit is Longhorn? Funny. I could've sworn it was XP: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/64bit/ The only reason Macintosh has less viruses is because it isn't as widely used as Windows is. Just look at all the bugs being found in Linux now that it is being used more and more. If enough people started using Macs, then more and more problems would be found. Oh and I think the NT line (includes 2000 and XP) was based off of Unix to some degree. $2000-4000 for a computer is not bad compared to the Silicon Graphics systems that run well over that. Plus if you do graphics stuff it would be worth it. Virtual PC for $200. Not too bad considering the cost of buying a separate computer to run Windows. Posts: 117 | Registered: Friday, November 2 2001 08:00 |
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Apprentice
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written Monday, March 22 2004 19:34
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I would rather have an upgradeable unit than having to buy whole new setups with no choice of os? You have to run a mac os on a mac machine right? Appple hardware is based on the IBM PowerPC. It's a 64 bit Chip had has been around a lot longer than Intel even has thought of the idea of 64 bits! (They finally admited that they need to make a 64 bit chip after AMD ate their lunch! -- and the IA64 is still a joke... the current version is a dog, and the IA64 with "Alpha Inside" (the technology Intel bought from Digial/Compaq) isn't due now until 2006.) It depends upon which case you get if you can add cards or not. Mac OS X is a Unix based operating system. The core system is called Darwin, is open source, and is based on FreeBSD. Anything you can run on Unix (let alone Linux) has probably already been ported to OS X via the Fink and Darwin Ports projects. Fink tends to be command line only, while Darwin implements things with the Aqua GUI. If you are set on running Linux, there are any number of ports which run on the PowerPC chip. >I dont know much so forgive me if I am wrong >Also I wouldnt know how to rate macs, I use the pc mainly for >video editing which is cpu intensive >I currently have a p4 3 GHz 800 MHz FSB cpu with HT, what >kind of cpu do mac use The current PowerPC G5 chips are used in the third most powerful SuperComputer at the University of Virginia. The first version of the machine used stock G5 "deskside" units. The current version (they have just finished swapping them out and you can buy the old units from MacMall) uses the new Xserve G5, which is a 1U rackmount server. I also capture video with my radeon card...what kind of video cards for mac? Pick your favorite -- both ATI and nVida support OS X. However, you don't even need to go that far. I use my Sony Digital Video Camera connected to an 800 mhz G4 via FireWire. Granted, I 'm not doing Pro work, just Prosumer. Don't forget -- Pixar is owned by Jobs. -------------------- T.T.F.N. William H. Magill # Beige G3 - Rev A motherboard - 768 Meg # Flat-panel iMac (2.1) 800MHz - Super Drive - 768 Meg # PWS433a [Alpha 21164 Rev 7.2 (EV56)- 64 Meg]- Tru64 5.1a # XP1000 - [Alpha EV6] magill@mcgillsociety.org magill@acm.org magill@mac.com Posts: 2 | Registered: Saturday, March 20 2004 08:00 |