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Originally written by Leatherface:

Um, traditionally the study of mathematics was considered a liberal art. However, at the University I attended it was under the faculty of Science.

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In addition, your poll makes no note of applied sciences (like engineering). I assumed that it was included under unnatural sciences.

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—Alorael, who has already admitted that it isn't feasible to make a poll that covers everything. He could be wrong, though, because he's no expert in poll design. This is an engineering problem!

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The opinions of mathematicians on this matter are varied. While some in applied mathematics feel that they are scientists, those in pure mathematics often feel that they are working in an area more akin to logic and that they are, hence, fundamentally philosophers. Many mathematicians feel that to call their area a science is to downplay the importance of its aesthetic side, and its history in the traditional seven liberal arts; others feel that to ignore its connection to the sciences is to turn a blind eye to the fact that the interface between mathematics and its applications in science and engineering has driven much development in mathematics. One way this difference of viewpoint plays out is in the philosophical debate as to whether mathematics is created (as in art) or discovered (as in science).

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I'd categorize most engineering as natural science more than anything else becaise that's what it relies on most heavily (physics, mainly). Other applied sciences fall under behavioral science or somewhere in between.

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Originally written by Lock before the in.:

[Edit: Typo. But it was quoted for posterty anyway!]

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Originally written by Kelandon:

Well, I'm at least pretty sure that Salmon is losing.

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Originally written by Student of Trinity:

Isn't 'itur' just the third person singular present passive of eo? One of the few remaining fragments of my own classical education is this very quotation, which my high school Latin text had at the head of its chapter on the impersonal passive construction. So 'sic itur ad astra', literally 'thus it is gone to the stars', is the Latin way of saying 'thus does one go to the stars'. So normally there is not much call to use the passive voice of 'go', but for an impersonal passive like this evidently Vergil at least could get away with it.

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