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Thuryl ...b10010b... Member # 869	written Friday, May 20 2005 14:08 Profile Homepage #25 quote: Originally written by Duke of Toast: I find it amusing that people like to create wacky ideas about what Marx would have believed. Russia and China probably were not even on Marx's mind when he wrote the communist manifesto. China and Russia were not industrial states when their Marxist revolutions occurred, but they are and were the largest Marxist states. Apparently communism seems to be more readily adopted by non-industrialized societies. I've read somewhere that Marx predicted Russia would be the last nation in Europe to become communist. Anyone happen to have a source on this? -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 \| Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
Student of Trinity Electric Sheep One Member # 3431	written Friday, May 20 2005 14:15 Profile #26 Anyone here seen "MIM Notes", the official journal of the Maoist International Movement? It's such a hoot. I mean, some of their criticisms of various capitalist outrages around the world seem quite well-aimed, but then you remember they're Maoists, and you have to shake your head in wonder at Pol Pot calling the Conrad Black. -------------------- It is not enough to discover how things seem to seem. We must discover how things really seem. Posts: 3335 \| Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00
The Almighty Doer of Stuff Shaper Member # 73	written Friday, May 20 2005 17:14 Profile #27 Because of course, which political party a person belongs to is much more important than the actual content of their arguments. EDIT: Unless you meant something else by that comment, of course. [ Friday, May 20, 2005 17:15: Message edited by: The Almighty Doer of Stuff ] -------------------- The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) Famous Last Words - A local pop-punk band They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 \| Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00
PoD person Shock Trooper Member # 4445	written Friday, May 20 2005 17:22 Profile #28 If I read it correctly, I think he's saying that the authors of those criticisms had themselves performed much worse outrages. Hence the hilarity. Plus a pun on Pol Pot's name. :P EDITed by the Department of Redundancy Department [ Friday, May 20, 2005 17:26: Message edited by: PoD person ] Posts: 293 \| Registered: Saturday, May 29 2004 07:00
Thuryl ...b10010b... Member # 869	written Friday, May 20 2005 17:23 Profile Homepage #29 Well, to call yourself a Maoist is, at the very least, to associate your views with those of Mao and implicitly approve of his actions and philosophies, which one can't help but say were a little dodgy. -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 \| Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00
Student of Trinity Electric Sheep One Member # 3431	written Friday, May 20 2005 19:05 Profile #30 MIM apparently sees itself as rigorously applying the ideology it endorses, namely Maoism, to everything it discusses. So I think the MIM members themselves would be the last to accept that there is any distinction between their arguments and their membership in their party. And I too think the Cultural Revolution was dodgy. [ Friday, May 20, 2005 19:06: Message edited by: Student of Trinity ] -------------------- It is not enough to discover how things seem to seem. We must discover how things really seem. Posts: 3335 \| Registered: Thursday, September 4 2003 07:00
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Friday, May 20 2005 19:26 Profile Homepage #31 The Great Leap Forward may have been less dodgy but it was more deadly. China is not currently communist, really. The Chinese Communist Party all but abandoned communism after Mao's death. The CCP did not abandon authoritarian control in any way, shape, or form, and it didn't suffer the kind of armed revolution that has toppled so many other communist regimes. "Communism with Chinese characteristics" or whatever the current jargon is amounts to capitalism. It's not quite identical to Western laissez-faire principles, but it's getting there. —Alorael, who dislikes the idea of skirting the edge (or skipping blithely over the edge) of academic integrity by lying about the nature of a source. Also note that an interview is only as valid a source as the person interviewed, and nobody here has any recognized or formal background in the study of communism. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Good ol' Eagle Infiltrator Member # 5806	written Saturday, May 21 2005 03:04 Profile Homepage #32 While you are at it, why not do some deepening? I live in Sweden (Sweden is the biggest country in Scandinavia.) so I know a lot about our democratic socialism. In sweden, the tax rates are aprroximately 30% (currently 31% and in Denmark 47%). The high taxes are good since it makes many public services free. I made a list of them below: -Free or cheap medical aid. Need to go to hospital? Do not worry to much about payments. -Free dentist until you are 18, afterwards full prise. -Free roads; no payments while driving. -Free or cheap shelters for homeless. -Goverment paid police/fire department. The high taxes gives many advantages and balance the differences between well-paid and poor. Thanks to our good financial politics we can manage many other matters, like the prisons (Last year we had many escapes due to poor psycologic health in the prisons.) or the unemployed (5,2% average unemployment.). Private business is legalized and supported. Whoever you are, you can for an instance start your own shop. Sadly, private business is very poorly paid, shopowners had ended up with only 6000SEK in the month (Equal to 800-900USD). Sweden is democratic but the voting system is a little unlike the US system. Here in sweden we vote in three different matters. Landsting (Did not find a translation but it is about how hospital and culture (Culture = Farming) while be treated.), Statsting (Party to rule the swedish state.) and kommunledning (Party to rule the municipal.). Try searching on http://www.goggle.com/ or http://www.yahoo.com. Need to learn more? Mail me. Signed Eagle, the author Soul. -------------------- So, as the great Groxy, I have come back to be served by goblins. In the "main hall" of the goblin cave was a large totem which resembled very much of... me. Posts: 437 \| Registered: Friday, May 13 2005 07:00
VCH Shaper Member # 247	written Saturday, May 21 2005 12:08 Profile Homepage #33 Yea let taxes loose. Our rates are around 40% depending on what you earn and what province or territory you live in. [ Saturday, May 21, 2005 12:09: Message edited by: VCH ] -------------------- I stop rubber at 160km/h, five times a week. CANUCKS RESPEK! My Style The Knight Between Posts. Posts: 2395 \| Registered: Friday, November 2 2001 08:00
shadow, the Warrior Member # 5822	written Monday, May 23 2005 11:11 Profile #34 ya tax's help alot but who wants to pay that? -------------------- who knows what darkness lurks in the hearts of men? the shadow knows ninjas are so better than pirates homerun Posts: 85 \| Registered: Tuesday, May 17 2005 07:00
Sturg Master Member # 4614	written Monday, May 23 2005 17:12 Profile Homepage #35 Anyone that would rather not live on a busy city intersection holding up a mottled piece of carboard that says "Need food. God bless." We pay taxes and hospital bills in America. And two and a half dollars for a gallon of gas. We need more nuclear power or something for electricity, too. But we don't have to worry about spontaneous takeover of our property, either, which is nice. [ Monday, May 23, 2005 17:13: Message edited by: N00BEN ] -------------------- -ben4808 For those who love to spam: CSM Forums RIFQ Posts: 3360 \| Registered: Friday, June 25 2004 07:00
VCH Shaper Member # 247	written Monday, May 23 2005 18:44 Profile Homepage #36 Yeah that's true but just you wait the end is near. ;) What are you going to do when the door closes for good? Narnia remains open now. But how much longer? [ Monday, May 23, 2005 18:45: Message edited by: VCH ] -------------------- I stop rubber at 160km/h, five times a week. CANUCKS RESPEK! My Style The Knight Between Posts. Posts: 2395 \| Registered: Friday, November 2 2001 08:00
Arancaytar Law Bringer Member # 2984	written Tuesday, May 24 2005 01:09 Profile Homepage #37 quote: Originally written by N00BEN: [QB]We pay taxes and hospital bills in America. And two and a half dollars for a gallon of gas.QB] I don't pity you. The last price I saw here would be the equivalent of $5.47 per gallon, or ?1.15 per litre. :P -------------------- The Encyclopaedia Ermariana <-- Now a Wiki! "Polaris leers down from the black vault, winking hideously like an insane watching eye which strives to convey some strange message, yet recalls nothing save that it once had a message to convey." --- HP Lovecraft. "I single Aran out due to his nasty temperament, and his superior intellect." --- SupaNik Posts: 8752 \| Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00
shadow, the Warrior Member # 5822	written Tuesday, May 24 2005 10:57 Profile #38 hey, how much is one pound (compaired to a doller)? and how much is one pence? -------------------- who knows what darkness lurks in the hearts of men? the shadow knows ninjas are so better than pirates homerun Posts: 85 \| Registered: Tuesday, May 17 2005 07:00
The Almighty Doer of Stuff Shaper Member # 73	written Tuesday, May 24 2005 12:16 Profile #39 Google, lagot. First result for "currency conversions". [ Tuesday, May 24, 2005 12:17: Message edited by: The Almighty Doer of Stuff ] -------------------- The Lyceum - The Headquarters of the Blades designing community The Louvre - The Blades of Avernum graphics database Alexandria - The Blades of Exile Scenario database BoE Webring - Self explanatory Polaris - Free porn here Odd Todd - Fun for the unemployed (and everyone else too) Famous Last Words - A local pop-punk band They Might Be Giants - Four websites for one of the greatest bands in existance -------------------- 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 Posts: 2957 \| Registered: Thursday, October 4 2001 07:00
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Tuesday, May 24 2005 13:18 Profile Homepage #40 Paying taxes doesn't guarantee no spontaneous loss of property (In fact, one can argue that taxes are inherently spontaneous loss of property). They are, however, a necessary part of the functional kind of government that prevents the "KGB come, shoot whole family" problem. Paying taxes under a bad system, and America's is heading that way right now, is more likely to put you by that intersection than save you from it. Paying taxes under a good system means that you won't have to be there even if you don't have the money for that piece of cardboard. —Alorael, who would rather pay taxes and know that he'll have hospital care if he needs it it than pay fewer taxes and start worrying when the expensive procedures are necessary. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
Sturg Master Member # 4614	written Tuesday, May 24 2005 14:36 Profile Homepage #41 Which is where insurance comes in, which is getting expensive too. Especially liability for young drivers such as myself. :P -------------------- -ben4808 For those who love to spam: CSM Forums RIFQ Posts: 3360 \| Registered: Friday, June 25 2004 07:00
Or else o'erleap. Law Bringer Member # 335	written Tuesday, May 24 2005 16:40 Profile Homepage #42 Health insurance is a tangled nightmare that impedes proper healthcare. Our system is both absurd and obscene. —Alorael, who was forced by circumstances to experience the Danish hospital system. The quality of care provided was excellent and the quality of not being buried in paperwork was even better. Posts: 14579 \| Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00
shadow, the Warrior Member # 5822	written Wednesday, May 25 2005 11:11 Profile #43 thanks for the convertor link -------------------- who knows what darkness lurks in the hearts of men? the shadow knows ninjas are so better than pirates homerun Posts: 85 \| Registered: Tuesday, May 17 2005 07:00