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Law Bringer
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written Sunday, November 21 2004 17:33
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Agreed. I don't have the problem so much with goblins (and the goblins in A2, A3, and BoA are reddish, not peach), but slithzerikai and nephilim can be hard to distinguish. E3/BoE had much prettier and clearer graphics. —Alorael, who falls back on the old mantra, "You don't play Spiderweb games for their graphics." Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Sunday, November 21 2004 17:39
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1. Where does Jeff get the music for the begginning of the games? I know on A1, and BoE that there is a really short little musical number. Does anyone know where he gets this stuff? 2. Does Jeff make his own graphics? Why doesn't he ask good graphic makers from the community to help out? -------------------- Wham Bam Shizam Posts: 247 | Registered: Monday, September 6 2004 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Sunday, November 21 2004 17:57
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He hires an artist to do the graphics (the name escapes me at the moment). And as for why he doesn't ask the community, there's the whole issue of rights. I know if I were a member of the community, and also an artist, I'd want something back for my work. It's a lot simpler just to hire someone. Posts: 129 | Registered: Tuesday, October 28 2003 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Sunday, November 21 2004 20:46
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Andrew Hunter does the newer graphics for E3 and BOE. He also does the graphics for Avernum. Phil Foglio and Micheal P. O'connor do the line art for Avernum. Avernum's logo was done by a guy named E. JORDAN BOJAR. I'm not sure if Jeff made up those names (which is composed ot the names of the evil mages in the Slime towers in E3 and A3) or not. If that is really someone's name, then we finally know where Jeff got those two names for those evil mages. [ Sunday, November 21, 2004 20:47: Message edited by: Xan Kreigor ] -------------------- I am the way into the doleful city I am the way into eternal grief, I am the way to a foresaken race. Justice it was that moved my great creator; Divine omnipotence created me, And highest wisdom joined with primal love. Before me nothing but eternal things Were made, and I shall last eternally Abandon all hope, all you who enter. Posts: 383 | Registered: Friday, June 6 2003 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Sunday, November 21 2004 22:48
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Jordan Bojar? :P A little heavy for coincidence. Mmmh, let's see... Edit: Google - "E. Jordan Bojar" is definitely a real person. quote:Oh, and of course he's part of Studio Foglio, which drew all the rest of the graphics. [ Sunday, November 21, 2004 22:57: Message edited by: I Am A Puppet Account ] -------------------- "Toleration is not the opposite of intoleration, but is the counterfeit of it. Both are despotisms. The one assumes to itself the right of withholding liberty of conscience, and the other of granting it." ---Thomas Paine Posts: 156 | Registered: Thursday, January 8 2004 08:00 |
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written Sunday, November 21 2004 23:34
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You know, in science, we call this a direction-of-causality problem. -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Sunday, November 21 2004 23:48
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Mmmh... I don't see any ambiguity about direction here. You don't suppose he changed his name after Jeff Vogel named the wizard Bojar? :) -------------------- "Toleration is not the opposite of intoleration, but is the counterfeit of it. Both are despotisms. The one assumes to itself the right of withholding liberty of conscience, and the other of granting it." ---Thomas Paine Posts: 156 | Registered: Thursday, January 8 2004 08:00 |
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written Monday, November 22 2004 01:23
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I was responding more to XK than you. You're right, of course. :P -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Master
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written Monday, November 22 2004 18:15
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So I suppose Jeff made the older E1/E2 graphics or did Andrew make those too? -------------------- -ben4808 For those who love to spam: CSM Forums RIFQ Posts: 3360 | Registered: Friday, June 25 2004 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Monday, November 22 2004 20:13
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I just now realized that on my version of E2, SHIRLEY VOGEL did the graphics, NOT Jeff. These are the old graphics, the graphics where the cave walls are a rugged tan color, and the cave floor is a very dark grey. -------------------- I am the way into the doleful city I am the way into eternal grief, I am the way to a foresaken race. Justice it was that moved my great creator; Divine omnipotence created me, And highest wisdom joined with primal love. Before me nothing but eternal things Were made, and I shall last eternally Abandon all hope, all you who enter. Posts: 383 | Registered: Friday, June 6 2003 07:00 |
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Triad Mage
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written Tuesday, November 23 2004 02:03
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Yeah. That would be his ex-wife. -------------------- "At times discretion should be thrown aside, and with the foolish we should play the fool." - Menander ==== Drakefyre's Demesne - Happy Happy Joy Joy desperance.net - We're Everywhere ==== You can take my Mac when you pry my cold, dead fingers off the mouse! Posts: 9436 | Registered: Wednesday, September 19 2001 07:00 |
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Warrior
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written Tuesday, November 23 2004 02:30
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Intriguing. Any more stunning revelations on this company? Oh, and kudos to everyone here for running this thread so long; I've had over a dozen visitors linking to the encyclopedia from here so far, almost as much as from Drakey's site. :) -------------------- "Toleration is not the opposite of intoleration, but is the counterfeit of it. Both are despotisms. The one assumes to itself the right of withholding liberty of conscience, and the other of granting it." ---Thomas Paine Posts: 156 | Registered: Thursday, January 8 2004 08:00 |
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Off With Their Heads
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written Tuesday, November 23 2004 10:31
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Raise your hand if it took you until now to figure for whom Puppet Account is a puppet account. *raises hand* -------------------- Arancaytar: Every time you ask people to compare TM and Kel, you endanger the poor, fluffy kittens. Kelandon's Pink and Pretty Page!!: the authorized location for all things by me The Archive of all released BoE scenarios ever Posts: 7968 | Registered: Saturday, February 28 2004 08:00 |
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Lifecrafter
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written Tuesday, November 23 2004 11:47
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hey kel u make baby mistar cry :( :( -------------------- The Great Mister kommari@gmail.com[/url] Posts: 972 | Registered: Tuesday, October 28 2003 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Tuesday, November 23 2004 12:18
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On the subject of ex-wives, all the provinces of Valorim are supposed to be named after women with whom Jeff was involved. Mariann Krizsan is his wife and Gale is Shirley once and current surname. —Alorael, who isn't so sure about Footracer. Maybe Jeff had a brief fling with fitness once before coming to his senses? Posts: 14579 | Registered: Saturday, December 1 2001 08:00 |
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Law Bringer
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written Tuesday, November 23 2004 14:08
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So Karnold, Midori and Bigail, etc are too? Gracious, Jeff must lead an interesting life. And let me hereby dement the vicious rumor that "I am a Puppet Account" has any relation whatsoever to me. :P [ Tuesday, November 23, 2004 14:09: Message edited by: At last he came to Night of Naught ] -------------------- The Encyclopaedia Ermariana <-- Now a Wiki! "Polaris leers down from the black vault, winking hideously like an insane watching eye which strives to convey some strange message, yet recalls nothing save that it once had a message to convey." --- HP Lovecraft. "I single Aran out due to his nasty temperament, and his superior intellect." --- SupaNik Posts: 8752 | Registered: Wednesday, May 14 2003 07:00 |
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Master
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written Tuesday, November 23 2004 16:39
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Who is it? I've been wondering for a while too, and try as I might, I can't figure it out. You some newb? -------------------- -ben4808 For those who love to spam: CSM Forums RIFQ Posts: 3360 | Registered: Friday, June 25 2004 07:00 |
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Infiltrator
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written Tuesday, November 23 2004 17:03
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If he is a newb he has an earlier # than you Ben, :P However A hand raise might be appropriate- Is he a puppet account? According to the polaris list he is "Your Friendly Neighbor".... [ Tuesday, November 23, 2004 17:20: Message edited by: m's avatar ] Posts: 564 | Registered: Wednesday, April 14 2004 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, November 23 2004 17:26
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quote:We have a theory about that. Whoever Midori was, Jeff must really hate her now; she's also a lich in a previous E/A game. -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Tuesday, November 23 2004 21:25
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This might explain where Jeff got Midori from. "Shirley Monroe - For invaluable support early on." Jeff says this in the credits of E3, perhaps the last name was the inspiration for "Monoroe"? Krizsan Province is, without a doubt, derived from "Mariann Krizsan". Jeff's Wife. Alorael provided a reasonable explaination for, Footracer Province's name (see above post). (Nothing found about/on "Karnold", sorry :( ) (Nothing found about/on "Bigail", sorry :( ) -------------------- I am the way into the doleful city I am the way into eternal grief, I am the way to a foresaken race. Justice it was that moved my great creator; Divine omnipotence created me, And highest wisdom joined with primal love. Before me nothing but eternal things Were made, and I shall last eternally Abandon all hope, all you who enter. Posts: 383 | Registered: Friday, June 6 2003 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, November 23 2004 21:42
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I've seen the word Midori in a lot of places. I believe it's the Japanese word for "green". It's also an alcoholic beverage. -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Tuesday, November 23 2004 21:58
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Also a porn star. Posts: 180 | Registered: Friday, October 15 2004 07:00 |
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Shock Trooper
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written Tuesday, November 23 2004 22:01
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I don't think its Japanese for anything. I wouldn't know, I CAN'T watch porn (underage, D***) -------------------- I am the way into the doleful city I am the way into eternal grief, I am the way to a foresaken race. Justice it was that moved my great creator; Divine omnipotence created me, And highest wisdom joined with primal love. Before me nothing but eternal things Were made, and I shall last eternally Abandon all hope, all you who enter. Posts: 383 | Registered: Friday, June 6 2003 07:00 |
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written Tuesday, November 23 2004 22:55
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Well, what do you know. I was right. Martin's Concise Japanese Dictionary says "midori" means "green". -------------------- My BoE Page Bandwagons are fun! Roots Hunted! Posts: 9973 | Registered: Saturday, March 30 2002 08:00 |
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Warrior
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written Wednesday, November 24 2004 01:39
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Wasn't Monoroe renamed Monroe in Avernum 3? I distinctly remember the name Monroe Province for some reason, and I'm sure it wasn't a misread. -------------------- "Toleration is not the opposite of intoleration, but is the counterfeit of it. Both are despotisms. The one assumes to itself the right of withholding liberty of conscience, and the other of granting it." ---Thomas Paine Posts: 156 | Registered: Thursday, January 8 2004 08:00 |